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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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flying bist has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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i occasionally think how quickly

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year 1985

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you're listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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how you doing today is tuesday september

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258 days into the new year only 117

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days left let's do this man

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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that's right a total undisclosed

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but it is beautiful

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it's all good i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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i'm your host jimmy church racehobbs

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don't worry bill i know you're out there

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very excited about the show tonight

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say fourth he said ah yeah

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conscious life expo and that will be

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code jimmy okay and you do want to do

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very busy day around here getting ready

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for the conscious life expo this weekend

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everybody is behaving

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let's get to the breaking news very sad

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announcement today rest in peace

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unbelievable norm was one of saturday

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night live's most influential and

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he died today after a nine year private

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with cancer he was just 61 years old

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one of my one of my favorite one of my

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favorites there's no question about it

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very funny guy very sad rest in peace

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norm mcdonald 61 years old wow

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wow okay it was announced today

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launch in april will see the veteran

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astronauts spend about 353

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340 days set and currently held

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by two weeks absolutely incredible all

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saying goodbye

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the move comes just two days

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britney's dad is trying to bow out of

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of her 60 million dollar estate

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all of that ever went down she's an

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that an alligator is suspected of

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waters and that alligator has been found

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it was captured in the area where

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a saint tammany parish man was last seen

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sounds like a lifetime movie it will be

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coming out soon well

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normally i don't touch this but i have

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another conservative radio host

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has died of covid

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pastor robert bob enyart

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who swore off the covet 19 vaccines died

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yesterday enyart is one of several

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dick farrell a florida-based uh talk

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radio host passed away from the

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coronavirus in august as did

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nashville-based host phil valentine

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mark bernier another florida-based

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conservative radio host and an outspoken

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opponent of masking and vaccines

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also died of covid19 last month

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on august uh and august uh 2021 covet 19

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update to the radio show's website said

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enyart and his wife cheryl quote has

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sworn off taking the pfizer moderna and

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johnson vaccines well

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it only took a month for him to get the

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virus

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and die after that post

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let's get this show crack and happy

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birthday to today

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sam neil is 74.

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jurassic park my favorite jurassic park

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i mean the first one was good

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second one was pretty good too but for

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me

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it was three

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a jurassic world was pretty good too but

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but it was three the aviary you remember

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that long

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you know the the stairway with the with

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the cover on it

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you you remember that that that that

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scared the crap out of me i liked

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three

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all right also

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aha's morton harkett

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today is 62 singer and front man of aha

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and of course uh the vocalist on take on

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me

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yeah

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might be

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it's close man i'm going out on a limb

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here

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is it the greatest music video of all

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time take on me i remember

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i went to uh the video music awards at

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the universal amphitheater this would

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have been

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uh

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1985.

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yeah i'm pretty sure in 1985

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and uh take on me

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i i i believe so

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somebody look it up post it post it up

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in a twitter let me know if i'm right

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okay our dead guy's birthday today is

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amy winehouse

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1983 to 2011 died at the age of 27. amy

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was a member of the national youth jazz

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orchestra

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and then signed a deal to simon fuller's

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19 management in 2002 before signing a

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published deal with emi her debut album

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frank was released in 2003 but it was

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her follow-up album back to black

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went on to become an international

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success in one of the best-selling

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albums in uk history

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at the 50th grammy awards in 2008 she

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won

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five awards tying the then record for

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the most wins by a female artist in a

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single night and becoming the first

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british woman to win five grammys

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including three

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of the general field big four

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that's right best new artist record of

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the year and song of the year for rehab

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as well as best pop vocal album

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of course amy was plagued by drug and

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alcohol addiction

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she died of alcohol poisoning on july 23

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2011

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joining the 27 club you know that

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infamous list of musicians artists

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athletes and actors who all died at the

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age of 27

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after her death back to black became the

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uk's best-selling album

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of the 21st century

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happy birthday amy winehouse sad she was

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great she was amazing honestly in

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history otd 1959

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a soviet rocket

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carrying the flag of the soviet union

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crashes into the moon

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becoming the first man-made object sent

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from earth to reach the lunar surface

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and then the united states

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warned the soviet union that sending the

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russian flag to the moon gave the

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soviets no territorial rights over

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nothing

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before houdini died

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he and his wife agreed that if houdini

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found it possible to communicate after

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death

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he would communicate the message

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roosevelt believe

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that's right we all knew about that we

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never knew what the secret message was

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but that's what it was roosevelt believe

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a secret code they agreed to use because

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roosevelt

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was their favorite song

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you always wondered about that didn't

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you well i just just gave you that fader

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fact vetted

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tonight we have very special guests

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michael ming and james tinian iv they

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are here to announce their new graphic

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novel

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blue book we've posted all of the links

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to it in all of our social media

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feeds so you can go and check it out

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right now it is amazing

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it's

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two colors

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it's black black is all colors

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right if you take all the colors you mix

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them in a bowl

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right

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so

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anyway check out the new graphic novel

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it's called blue book we have the links

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up and tomorrow night richard dolan

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joins us

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for the wilson dock the final cut

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thursday is another fader night with

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open lines all night long i'm going to

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because thursday night i'm hopping in

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the car and heading down to the

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conscious life expo all right

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let me hit this river moon coffee

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you know and this is the deal

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you want a show like mine you want a

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voice like mine

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it's easy

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river moon coffee see here hear me hear

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me now right now just listen to the

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hear me now

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you hear that

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i like my coffee doc i can't say it

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without river moon coffee

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that's right

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promo code f2b blend 15 off of your

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order today go to the amazon store go to

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the website do something get the game

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change your life you can be a radio host

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that's right

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i

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you see

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one of the early lessons i learned about

447
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being a radio or anything for that

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matter or host

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my opinions truly do not matter

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and i really don't care about them

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i really mean it

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and i know that people ask me my

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opinions all the time they want to know

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00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,000
on a variety of issues they're like hey

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jimmy what do you think about

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but honestly i do my very best to keep

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all those things to myself i do i work

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at it but here's the thing

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if you ever do express your opinion as a

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show host radio tv or whatever

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all too often

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almost 100 percent of the time

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anyone who opens their mouth

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every single time

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politics religion sports ufos conspiracy

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cooking show doesn't matter be careful

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don't say a thing keep your opinions to

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yourself because

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everything that has happened over the

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last four or five years all of it

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all of the yelling the screaming the

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fighting the extreme opinions on every

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frigging thing you can imagine

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have all turned out

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to be wrong

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that's right

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now i'm sure some of you are asking

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yourselves right now you know what is

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jimmy talking about

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is he talking about anything specific

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no

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well

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yes i am

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i'm talking about

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but back to my point

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you had better be right

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if you're going to say something stupid

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just to have shock value

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you had better be right

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anybody who has had a loud mouth

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thinking that it's a cool

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or b

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thinking that it sounds intelligent

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like you know something that nobody else

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knows and that you're sharing your

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brilliant mind with the world

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both situations will always have a very

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now

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covered

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you see whatever your thoughts are about

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covid

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especially as a show host

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keep them to yourself

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whatever it is

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it's just the way the universe works

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i was with someone a few months ago

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someone who has been on the show many

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times

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and this person

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loudly

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said some things to a group of people

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for effect by the way

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but

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sort of directed at me by the way

515
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:34,080
it went like this it was like um

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the covid vaccine

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is going to cause

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everyone that takes it

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a long

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horrible

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painful

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and um and i'm thinking to myself what

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00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,279
now this person went on

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00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,000
and uh speaking about very loudly

525
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,760
dramatic it just just you know

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00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,039
and uh

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00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:10,799
and i'm thinking to myself wait a minute

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everybody

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00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,679
right

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00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,909
so

531
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and

532
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,200
my response back was you mean let's say

533
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half the world let's say half the world

534
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,120
take so three and a half billion people

535
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all of them

536
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three and a half billion people are

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gonna die a long painful horrible death

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because of the vaccine

539
00:27:41,350 --> 00:27:40,159
yes they are it's a fact i have an

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00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:41,360
insider

541
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:45,039
have you read i was like dude

542
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,960
so today i walk out and i get hit by a

543
00:27:53,909 --> 00:27:51,200
car

544
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:54,710
that's

545
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:01,269
what are you actually saying here

546
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,399
you need to be very careful and whatever

547
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,799
it is whatever your opinions are if you

548
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:09,520
are going to go down that road

549
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,480
dude

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00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:16,389
you're wrong but a plane goes down

551
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:19,679
somebody has a heart attack

552
00:28:26,470 --> 00:28:23,279
whatever it is slip and fall by the pool

553
00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:26,480
whatever it is it's caused by

554
00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:28,399
the vaccine

555
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:30,480
you need to watch yourself

556
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,799
and for those and i just talked about

557
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,360
these four radio uh conservative radio

558
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,159
show hosts you need to be very careful

559
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,159
i don't want anybody to die

560
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:42,240
i don't want for any reason right

561
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,880
whatever it is it it sucks

562
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,640
and uh

563
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:49,279
but if you're going to step out

564
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,880
and you're going to give your opinions

565
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,200
on these things you better be right

566
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,159
you have to be right and in this case

567
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,840
case is

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00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,320
they were wrong

569
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:02,640
you need to keep there was nothing that

570
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:05,360
needed to be said nothing

571
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:06,799
nothing

572
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:09,360
because in the end your influence as a

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00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,080
host as a personality and and in this

574
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,960
case this loud voice uh

575
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,440
person in this group of people you have

576
00:29:21,190 --> 00:29:19,600
influence and people listen to you and

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you're gonna go and say something like

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that which is obviously factually

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wrong

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that's why i keep my opinions

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because

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i'm never wrong

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think about that

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aspiring host you want to go and and and

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you got to do and if you do that you're

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in the safe zone

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and you're never wrong

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and before anybody says well jimmy you

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i may have stated warnings in the past

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be careful

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you know don't dip your toe in this

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the safe zone because then

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you're you're you're not wrong

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you're not you're not wrong

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know what it doesn't matter if it's

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right

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should i uh i'm gonna leave this in the

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oven for 10 more minutes that's a wrong

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decision the universe is going to fix

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that for you

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just just keep your opinions to yourself

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church i'm very excited tonight

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michael owning and james tinion the

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fourth are going to be here to announce

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their new graphic novel it is called

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blue book that's right these two titans

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of the comic book world

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are creating something for us for our

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community it is great if you haven't

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checked it out go and do that but

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this is for the rest of the world too

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think about that

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tomorrow night right here richard dolan

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joins us thursday night's another fader

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight very

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special guests we have two

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michael owning and james tinian the

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fourth

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you gotta love that they are here to

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announce their new graphic novel series

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i think it's called blue book written

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for our community and the rest of the

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world tomorrow night richard dolan joins

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us

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we're calling this show the wilson dock

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the final cut thursday night's another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long but tonight it's all about michael

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and james

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michael is the eisner harvey and eagle

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award-winning co-creator and artist of

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powers he is also an executive producer

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on the powers tv series from sony

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playstation which ran for two seasons he

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began his career as an inker that's not

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even a word michael i'm going to talk to

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james about that he's it was an inker at

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the age of 14 has written and drawn thor

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ragnarok red sonja batman superman dick

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tracy i'm in dick tracy hold on a minute

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michael that's the dick tracy i'm in

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right

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i think so well you're in powers for

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sure okay okay we'll come back look like

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victory we'll come back to that

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uh and more but is best known for his

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creator owned work such as the victories

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my favorite the mice templar uh tokyo

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the united states of murder inc which is

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also amazing i think i'm in that one too

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and many others mostly with his partners

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brian bennis and his wife of course

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takisoma

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he's currently hard at work on new

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projects including blue book and james

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tinian iv is a new york times

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bestselling and eisner award-winning

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writer of comic books like the

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department of truth which is amazing by

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the way something is killing the

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children and the new digital comic

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series blue book co-created by the one

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and only michael avon owning he lives

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and works in brooklyn new york all of

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their links are up at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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and i would like to welcome back to fade

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to black michael avon ohming and of

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course for the first time james chaney

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in the fourth

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james how are you tonight

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i'm doing

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i think he stuttered i think he

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stuttered michael how are you doing my

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friend

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i'm doing all right buddy just working

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working and listening to you uh keep me

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company while i'm drawing the ufos and

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stuff you know uh uh james i'm gonna

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tell you this really quick um having

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michael as a close friend and at my

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serious disposal

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uh to answering my phone calls this is

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what i do with with michael i call him

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up i go michael i need another drawing

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of me

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i need this one big i need it like six

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00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,760
foot tall michael's like dude i'll have

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it to you in a few hours and uh and so

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now you walk through my house and i've

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got all these framed portraits

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of me it's just extraordinary

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00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,520
that sounds

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yeah it is amazing it is amazing um

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00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:38,960
listen james you're cutting off

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i want you to go to your settings

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and uh

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and turn off uh

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the microphone automatic settings and

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noise cancellation turn both of those

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off and and while you are doing that

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i'm gonna go over to uh michael and say

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michael how

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how did you and james uh

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meet and and and we'll get to the ideas

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for this project in a second

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but is the comic book world just so

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small that everybody knows each other

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uh you know i'd say thanks to twitter it

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is you know social media has like its

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downsides of course and things were

826
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,800
aggravated about but it has its upsides

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00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,640
and part of that is making connections

828
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,720
with with other artists and other people

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in your industry and the readers as well

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um so i just knew james online um

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00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,640
you know luckily i've been around a

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really long time so some of the the

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people coming up now

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are

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they read my work when they were young

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00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,720
you know so like they're just interested

837
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in what i'm doing so james and i started

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00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,920
talking about his book department of

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00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,520
truth because

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i had read this first issue and just

841
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:48,160
kind of blown away by he figured out how

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to do a quote fresh

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x-files

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right so i just loved it i i and i don't

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know if i asked him if i could do a

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00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,160
cover or if he just

847
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,400
asked in um in twitter we just kind of

848
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,079
started going back and forth and started

849
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:01,599
talking about weird stuff

850
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,000
um you know our interest in that so i

851
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,000
did a cover for him and then we just

852
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,000
started these rolling conversations that

853
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,680
eventually led to

854
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,359
what's happening now which was just this

855
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,680
opportunity that happened

856
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,599
and uh you know i let james tell the

857
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,359
full story but it was it was crazy you

858
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:18,880
know i had been talking to you about

859
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,599
doing some sort of quote journalistic

860
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,760
approach of doing like uh

861
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,079
this fringe stuff like not adding to it

862
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:28,319
but just telling the stories

863
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,040
and

864
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:31,119
he calls me up one day with this thing

865
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,040
and i was like

866
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,040
i just want to tell blue book centered

867
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,280
stories that are you know sticking to

868
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:39,359
the facts and just being as real as

869
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:40,800
possible and i was like holy crap i

870
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:43,040
can't believe it like this guy who knows

871
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:44,560
all this weird stuff like i don't have

872
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,560
to explain anything to him

873
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:49,119
um wants to do this weird bucket list

874
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,960
thing that i've always wanted to do and

875
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,520
never saw an opportunity for so that's

876
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,960
kind of how that was just social media

877
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,800
being in the same circles and then

878
00:42:02,950 --> 00:41:59,359
trusting each other yeah it's really

879
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,960
kind of funny james because michael um

880
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:05,440
has been expressing to me

881
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,400
uh a lot over the years how to go full

882
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:10,079
on right

883
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,480
you know because he's always dabbled in

884
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,160
these subjects

885
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,000
that he's been interested in and he's

886
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:18,480
woven them into

887
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,760
his work

888
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,599
but this is the first time where he can

889
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,079
just go full-on tinfoil hat

890
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:26,800
and that's pretty cool james um in in

891
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:30,960
the world of comics um i have found

892
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:34,640
michael has a very unique style i can

893
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,319
pick him out now i

894
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,400
never thought i could do that

895
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,560
before but i know him so well i see his

896
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,960
work and i know it immediately was it

897
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,359
the same thing for you

898
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:48,480
oh absolutely like i think that the

899
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,440
moment

900
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,000
like i became familiar with michael's

901
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:54,400
work on powers which i did read while i

902
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,520
was growing up like that was one of my

903
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,920
uh my favorite comics when it was coming

904
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,960
out and

905
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,560
it was

906
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,280
and uh michael's art was a huge part of

907
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,480
that and i have always been drawn

908
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:09,920
uh to

909
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,440
you know like uh i've never been a huge

910
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:15,520
fan in comics there are a bunch of books

911
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,319
that have a much more like you know

912
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,400
realistic superhero style and i say

913
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,240
realistic even though realistic is not

914
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:24,160
the real word that you would use when

915
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:25,920
you look at those pictures but a you

916
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,200
know more rendered uh face that and all

917
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,680
of that but i have always leaned more

918
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,560
towards the styles that uh you know can

919
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,319
capture all of the action and all of the

920
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,839
emotion but lean more into the the

921
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:41,599
cartooning uh with that all of comics is

922
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:44,960
built on and uh michael has been one of

923
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,400
my favorite artists in that regard for

924
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:49,920
my entire

925
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:53,359
you know like comic book reading life so

926
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,640
i uh you know was thrilled it's one of

927
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:58,560
you know one of the great joys of sort

928
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,800
of coming up in a field is that you

929
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,040
start interacting with people that

930
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,800
you've been looking up to

931
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,800
uh for years and years and years and

932
00:44:11,349 --> 00:44:08,880
then the moment comes where you can

933
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:11,359
basically just reach out and be like hey

934
00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,040
i have this opportunity would you want

935
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,079
to build something together uh and uh

936
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:17,920
you know thankfully the

937
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:20,800
the right moment struck uh for for this

938
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:23,920
book for blue book uh and and i mean it

939
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,520
it really did all start with uh just a

940
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,680
couple of back and forth messages

941
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,640
because

942
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,920
i had started tweeting uh that i was

943
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:35,359
developing

944
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:38,560
the um you know the the

945
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,599
the first like ufo-centric issue

946
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,400
of my department of truth series uh

947
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,880
which is a series you know set in a

948
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,240
world where

949
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,440
uh you know that like

950
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:54,240
basically it's about subjective reality

951
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:56,079
it's the more people believe in

952
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,800
something the the more true it becomes

953
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,200
so it's about a secret department in the

954
00:45:06,550 --> 00:45:03,359
united states government that makes sure

955
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,560
that the wrong the right beliefs stay

956
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,800
uh stay true and the wrong beliefs do

957
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,359
not become true so it's basically a book

958
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:13,119
about you know a secret government

959
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:15,040
department preventing conspiracy

960
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,599
theories from becoming fact and the ways

961
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:19,119
in which they are losing in the ways in

962
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,440
which they are winning and the larger

963
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,359
question of should the government have

964
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,160
any say in what's true and what's not so

965
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,680
like that that's sort of the heart of

966
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:29,200
what department of truth is and i've

967
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,480
been excited to

968
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,440
dig into the ufo uh side of things uh

969
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,119
because i've been

970
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,960
fascinated with ufos since i was a kid

971
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,839
and

972
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,240
uh that so you know i started tweeting

973
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:44,640
that i was reading all of these

974
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:48,640
uh you know formative texts of you know

975
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,319
ufo lore and

976
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,760
i was absorbing all of it and i was just

977
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,359
like i want to live in this world i want

978
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,839
to uh you know i

979
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,760
want to do so much more but i was only

980
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,839
writing one issue and that series is

981
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,920
about so many different things that i

982
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:05,680
couldn't just like you know grab the

983
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,440
steering wheel and just turn it all the

984
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,760
way into ufos i just i needed to keep it

985
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:11,760
a life touch over there so it was

986
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,480
something that i kept uh leaning into

987
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,720
uh you so i i started chatting with

988
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,640
michael about like i

989
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,720
you know please send me like you know

990
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:24,800
anything i should read all of this i was

991
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:28,079
like rekindling a a real childhood love

992
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:29,119
of

993
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,920
over the next like year

994
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:39,440
uh until

995
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:41,440
the moment came where it was just like

996
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,400
okay

997
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,119
like here's a here's an opportunity to

998
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:48,560
create a whole bunch of on new comics in

999
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:49,440
you know

1000
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,079
uh like and create them fast and they

1001
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:54,240
your you know and they can come out the

1002
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,480
way that you want them you don't have to

1003
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,720
worry is a single issue gonna sell or

1004
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:00,800
not we basically have like the first

1005
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,280
year of this already funded so it was

1006
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,760
just like okay like what would you go

1007
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:07,200
that you're convinced there is an

1008
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:08,960
audience for but you don't have to like

1009
00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:10,880
try to like prove that there's an

1010
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:12,720
audience for like you always have to do

1011
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,520
when you're selling a single floppy

1012
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:17,760
uh comic book issue and so it was just

1013
00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:20,079
like this is this is where you know

1014
00:47:26,150 --> 00:47:22,880
basically this is all on my

1015
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:26,160
uh sub stack on my newsletter

1016
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:27,200
uh

1017
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,680
that's letting me do all these different

1018
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,200
books i'm sorry i'm like rambling and

1019
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,599
like no i love it i love it and let me

1020
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:37,520
tell you i dived into department of

1021
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:40,400
truth and and i backed up and i went

1022
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,710
oh this is scaring me

1023
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:48,800
uh to death this is this is awesome

1024
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,280
stuff and and i encourage everybody to

1025
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:54,160
go and uh and check out department of

1026
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,119
truth i mean for our audience it's not

1027
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,200
fiction they're just going to read it as

1028
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:01,839
as a historical document

1029
00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:04,480
but um uh but there's another part to

1030
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:05,440
this

1031
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,079
so um let's actually back up for a

1032
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,200
second the world of ufos

1033
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,480
is is complex and there are

1034
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,480
uh those that are a part of this

1035
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:18,240
community that

1036
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:20,000
just like any genre it doesn't matter if

1037
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,599
it's sports or

1038
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:24,160
or or any jazz music

1039
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:25,760
once you get into it there are people

1040
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,559
that know everything right they know

1041
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,359
everything they know all of the relief

1042
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:33,200
pictures for the

1043
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,359
uh for

1044
00:48:40,150 --> 00:48:37,440
for for the dallas

1045
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:40,160
whatever you know the chicago cubs in

1046
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:43,680
1987 and they can tell you these things

1047
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,559
um in the world of ufos it's the same

1048
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:47,520
thing

1049
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,720
you need to be factually correct

1050
00:48:54,150 --> 00:48:52,720
oh that's that's good michael thank you

1051
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:54,160
for that

1052
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:55,680
i don't know what that's like man what

1053
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,990
yeah i gotta tell you james he's

1054
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:02,240
changing the background and now he's got

1055
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,520
both of us

1056
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,000
sitting together at a desk

1057
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,829
it's actually what he's laughing i'll

1058
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,599
fix it during the break yeah you have no

1059
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:14,319
idea what you no no leave it that's fine

1060
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:16,640
um but you

1061
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,200
james you can write about anything

1062
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:21,760
you can go in any direction and you're

1063
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:25,359
going into the world of ufos

1064
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,800
um i have to ask you why

1065
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:31,200
oh that i mean that's a great question

1066
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:32,720
and

1067
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,839
i mean i think part of it is i

1068
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,160
a lot of it all comes from

1069
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,079
the research that i've been doing

1070
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,800
in and around the department of truth

1071
00:49:46,710 --> 00:49:45,119
and this is something that you know

1072
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,720
department of truth is a book that i

1073
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,440
started researching around 2015

1074
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:51,839
uh i had the rough concept and i started

1075
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,160
like you know pulling together all of

1076
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,480
the resources that i wanted to to play

1077
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,720
with there and part of it is that

1078
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,079
uh

1079
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,160
like part of the department of truth is

1080
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:03,920
kind of about

1081
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,400
structuring and ordering information

1082
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:07,920
like at least in terms of like the

1083
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:10,000
research side of it it's like it's

1084
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:11,119
taking

1085
00:50:17,030 --> 00:50:14,800
the entire history of you know esoteric

1086
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,040
belief and kind of

1087
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:19,440
and sort of putting it in an order where

1088
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,839
you get to see the patterns that repeat

1089
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,240
themselves in all the different uh

1090
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,640
sub-communities the that

1091
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,400
that make up the whole thing and there's

1092
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,480
something really really beautiful when

1093
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:32,640
you lay it all out together but it also

1094
00:50:37,349 --> 00:50:35,599
i it but also of course like deal you

1095
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,359
know given the subject matter also very

1096
00:50:40,710 --> 00:50:39,200
frightening in places and i think it

1097
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,720
says something

1098
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:41,839
about

1099
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,079
uh like you know america

1100
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,800
given the fact that it's a it's a

1101
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,400
country that is

1102
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,280
like it is an idea the country itself is

1103
00:51:01,829 --> 00:51:00,079
an idea so therefore it is both which is

1104
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,839
both its greatest strength and its

1105
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:03,599
greatest weakness and it's something

1106
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,640
that uh who is telling the story of

1107
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:08,880
america and who are they telling that

1108
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,680
story to to and what are they who's

1109
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:14,079
buying and who's selling what at any

1110
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:15,359
given moment

1111
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,920
uh is you know is a really interesting

1112
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,359
question to ask and it's one that you

1113
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,240
can even go back before the creation of

1114
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:25,119
america to see is like who is sort of

1115
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,240
controlling the narrative like who is

1116
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,720
who is writing the history books at any

1117
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:33,920
given moment and who is just deciding

1118
00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:38,160
this is the truth this is the the core

1119
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,720
like you know the core facts and then

1120
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,720
you always get the people who are just

1121
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:45,040
outside of that and a lot of times the

1122
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,880
people who are just outside of that are

1123
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:49,040
just people who are fascinated by the

1124
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:52,880
things that don't fit into the truth and

1125
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:54,720
there and because it's a very human

1126
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,160
fascination it's like what is the

1127
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,319
you know what are all the questions that

1128
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,079
that just get you excited that just make

1129
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,559
you like wonder about the world and you

1130
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,400
know like they might frighten you

1131
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,480
sometimes but it also sort of like

1132
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,240
uh it's a positive thing because it's

1133
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:13,280
about like okay the world is bigger than

1134
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,760
what the history book says it is uh and

1135
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,520
back in the day so much of it it was you

1136
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:19,599
know uh the

1137
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:21,599
like you know there were the fact that

1138
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,599
there were these like civilizations

1139
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,160
far-off civilizations like that was

1140
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,400
wasn't common knowledge it was it was

1141
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,880
like only very educated people knew

1142
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:32,640
about that so there was something you

1143
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,280
know there was sort of taking this

1144
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:38,160
secret hidden knowledge of the these old

1145
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:39,520
ways of thinking and all that and

1146
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,640
bringing it down and that's where the

1147
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,720
word like a cult comes from and all this

1148
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,960
this hidden knowledge and all that so

1149
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:47,200
i'm basically the you know long story

1150
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:49,200
short i'm a nerd and

1151
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:50,960
the thing that i'm like but i'm nerdy

1152
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:53,280
about history and i'm nerdy about

1153
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,880
uh weird history and the ways in which

1154
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,480
you know we kind of repeat the same

1155
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,400
things over and over and especially the

1156
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,680
ways in which

1157
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,000
you know very wealthy people

1158
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,880
in every different moment in history

1159
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:08,880
have tried to control

1160
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,760
what the average person believed and the

1161
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,440
way they have wielded that control

1162
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:16,160
against the people um and in order to

1163
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,119
control

1164
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,119
and it's something that you can see

1165
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,599
happening all around us today and it's

1166
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,680
one of those things where it's just like

1167
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:25,520
you know so much of it happens like

1168
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,119
right out in the open like that's the

1169
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,760
thing of the modern world is you know i

1170
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:32,160
think when you look at conspiracy

1171
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,319
fiction from like the 60s and 70s it's

1172
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,640
all like happening and you know in in

1173
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:38,400
secret and all of that but like

1174
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,720
silicon valley are designing machines

1175
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,480
that basically rewrite how the human

1176
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,880
brain works and they're doing it like in

1177
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:47,200
broad daylight and like doing tech

1178
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,920
symposiums about how effective they are

1179
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:51,920
effectively they're doing it

1180
00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:52,720
uh

1181
00:53:59,430 --> 00:53:55,839
so yeah no the so all of this is like

1182
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,440
you know like big fascination for me uh

1183
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,079
and ufos have always been tied into that

1184
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,240
because they were my way in

1185
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,680
when i was a kid uh and

1186
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:10,559
you know i saw two movies like two young

1187
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:11,359
uh

1188
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:16,400
34 so it was like you know right at the

1189
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:20,160
late 80s early 90s uh turnover like i

1190
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:23,040
saw on home video i saw et which scared

1191
00:54:27,430 --> 00:54:25,280
the crap out of me and close encounters

1192
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,440
of the third kind which i loved and it

1193
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:29,119
was one of those things where you know

1194
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,559
et just scared me because it's a

1195
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:32,640
horrifying potato monster that like

1196
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,480
makes inhuman noises but it's the

1197
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,559
uh but uh

1198
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:40,319
close encounters captured this like

1199
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,359
really

1200
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:43,040
incredible wonder

1201
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:45,680
and this sense of like

1202
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,640
you know this bigger universe and the

1203
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,400
like in the beauty in that and it's

1204
00:54:53,430 --> 00:54:52,400
still scary in places and you see the

1205
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,440
cost

1206
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,400
of like chasing after something that you

1207
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,920
know is a little ephemeral and all of

1208
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,920
that you see uh

1209
00:55:04,390 --> 00:55:02,079
you know you you see a man like you know

1210
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:04,400
his family fall apart in in the pursuit

1211
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,559
of all this but it's still but then he

1212
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,160
still finds something at the end of it

1213
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:10,000
and is so there is something beautiful

1214
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,920
in that kind of storytelling

1215
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,319
uh but i think one of the big things for

1216
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:17,119
me was right at

1217
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:17,920
the

1218
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,799
that

1219
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,880
you know turn into the 90s like you had

1220
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,160
the you know

1221
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,280
uh the x-files uh you had all these

1222
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,520
things and you know ufos were in the

1223
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:29,760
culture in a really dominant way

1224
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,280
uh and so the way that translated to be

1225
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:35,359
like a kid there were all of these like

1226
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,400
reference books that basically had like

1227
00:55:44,230 --> 00:55:41,040
little illustrations and little like you

1228
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:44,240
know paragraph blurbs describing some of

1229
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,520
the most famous ufo encounters uh like

1230
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,839
in history and that's how i sort of i

1231
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,599
learned it learned it all it was all in

1232
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,920
these like strange reference books that

1233
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,160
i would pick out of my like middle

1234
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:58,640
school library uh and then i would like

1235
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,079
steal the books from my library and i

1236
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,680
would take them home and like me and my

1237
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:03,440
friends would like study all of them so

1238
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:07,119
like that was the the first time uh that

1239
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,480
that i really

1240
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,160
you know started leaning into it and

1241
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,160
then when i started doing research for

1242
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:14,559
department of truth one of the i was

1243
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,240
excited because one of the things that i

1244
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:18,720
wanted to dig into were the men in black

1245
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:21,440
because obviously like the men in black

1246
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,680
and their connection to the idea of like

1247
00:56:28,150 --> 00:56:26,240
you know uh like a faceless government

1248
00:56:29,910 --> 00:56:28,160
agency and all of that and then the more

1249
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:29,920
metaphysical elements of the men in

1250
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,079
black and all that like it all deeply

1251
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,839
fascinated me and i remembered all these

1252
00:56:37,910 --> 00:56:35,839
stories from when i was a kid

1253
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,920
and i went to like go look for the

1254
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,839
equivalent of those reference books and

1255
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:41,359
they don't exist anymore no they like

1256
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,720
they don't make them for kids anymore no

1257
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,559
they don't then all right let me let me

1258
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,920
jump in before we

1259
00:56:50,230 --> 00:56:48,240
before i'll talk forever yeah hold on

1260
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:50,240
before we head to the break

1261
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:53,119
um i wanted to ask you this about uh ufo

1262
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,319
knowledge

1263
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,359
um when you're at comic-con and

1264
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:00,240
somebody uh you're on a panel or you're

1265
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:02,079
sitting signing autograph whatever it is

1266
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,040
but

1267
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,880
those nerds come up

1268
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:07,520
and they want to ask about batman and

1269
00:57:11,349 --> 00:57:09,520
the storyline and they're going to ask

1270
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,359
you something it reminds me of like

1271
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:14,319
galaxy quest right okay so

1272
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:17,680
um but now you're going to have

1273
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,920
people coming up asking you ufo

1274
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:20,960
questions

1275
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:25,839
be on your game right you've got to be

1276
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:29,040
able to respond you can't not not know

1277
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:30,079
something

1278
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,720
right are you prepared for that

1279
00:57:37,109 --> 00:57:34,160
no it's uh

1280
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:37,119
it's an exciting uh

1281
00:57:43,589 --> 00:57:39,520
like entering the community like this is

1282
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:43,599
uh is is an exciting and daunting

1283
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:46,559
prospect and uh i am very

1284
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:48,000
but i'm like i'm happy to be here

1285
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:49,359
because i mean you know to be fully

1286
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,640
blunt i'm like

1287
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:52,000
i am

1288
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:53,760
like what i would call like get an

1289
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,720
enthusiastic skeptic i am someone i love

1290
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,839
the i love the stories that

1291
00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:01,119
like

1292
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,240
the stories

1293
00:58:05,829 --> 00:58:03,920
minimizes it and that's not what i i

1294
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,839
want to do but it's one of those things

1295
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,040
where

1296
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,000
like the thing that draws me into ufo

1297
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,760
stories and also draws me into stories

1298
00:58:16,870 --> 00:58:14,400
of cryptids and draws me into uh stories

1299
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:16,880
of encounters with the unex unexpected

1300
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,160
or unexplained

1301
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:20,480
is that it is people who brush up

1302
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,640
against something they don't understand

1303
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:24,720
and then it's how they tell the story of

1304
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:26,240
brushing up against something they don't

1305
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,280
understand to the world and the the ways

1306
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,599
and the the commonalities in ways that

1307
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:33,520
people like will bring those stories to

1308
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,079
the world that is the single most the

1309
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,640
thing that fascinates me more than than

1310
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,160
any other aspect like all the other

1311
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,640
aspects fascinate me endlessly but

1312
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,480
that's the thing that really

1313
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:46,559
you know gets my brain cooking so it's

1314
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:49,200
one of those things where you know i

1315
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:51,760
like i think that also like helps me you

1316
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,960
know because if you're you're talking

1317
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:54,480
about like what are the stories that i

1318
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:55,920
think the most about it's still the men

1319
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,280
in black stories the men in black

1320
00:59:00,630 --> 00:58:59,040
stories are the ones that it's like you

1321
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:00,640
know i am

1322
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,280
like endlessly endlessly fascinated and

1323
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,359
because the weirder those stories get

1324
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,839
the more fascinated i get uh because

1325
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,960
there are

1326
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:10,240
you know and

1327
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,799
just the ways that all all of it all

1328
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,200
intersects together i'm yeah i'm sorry

1329
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:17,200
no that's great and by the end of this

1330
00:59:23,430 --> 00:59:20,960
show there will be a knock on your new

1331
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,440
york city door let's take our break

1332
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,520
right here this is fade to black i am

1333
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,520
your host jimmy church tonight

1334
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:30,720
the one and only michael avon ohming and

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00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:34,400
james tinion the fourth

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00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,839
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00:59:41,900 --> 00:59:37,839
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01:00:07,030 --> 00:59:41,910
fade to black stay with us

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[Music]

1441
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:17,990
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:20,480
jimmy church tonight michael avon owning

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01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,720
avon is there

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01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:24,240
to separate

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01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,240
michael from all the other

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01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,880
michael onlings out there i get that

1447
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:30,640
same thing with james though james cindy

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01:05:34,309 --> 01:05:32,240
in the fourth because there's a lot of

1449
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:34,319
james tinians running around in the

1450
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:36,799
world uh now uh

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01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:39,839
let's let's actually talk about uh blue

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01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:41,440
book for a second

1453
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,559
uh two things i want to address uh let

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01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,880
me get to the the first

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01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,720
interesting point

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it's an easy book to color michael

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01:05:56,069 --> 01:05:53,090
taking the day off

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[Laughter]

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01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:57,680
there there's a strong tradition in

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comics an illustration of of using like

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01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,920
a monochromatic color you know it's it's

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01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:03,359
a it's a it's a fun and it's a cool

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01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,799
thing and

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01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,960
um so it was fun to do and james was

1465
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:08,799
thinking it before he even spoke to me

1466
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,559
you know it was like you know kind of

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01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:12,079
black and white and just used the blue

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01:06:15,349 --> 01:06:13,839
tone color and of course i was thinking

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01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,359
the same thing and um yeah it was

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01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:17,280
exciting it was exciting to do all right

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01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,280
i think taki said i'm not coloring this

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one

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oh she would love to i mean she's just

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01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:24,640
as much into this you know

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01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,119
um we've all sucked into the world

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01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:29,440
i you know what what i what i enjoy

1477
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:32,880
about it is you know that that sepia

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01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,440
black and white thing

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adds a historical perspective to it

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right and you get that vibe out of the

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01:06:43,829 --> 01:06:42,400
gate was that the intention actually

1482
01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:43,839
yeah there's sort of two intentions i

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01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:45,839
mean one of the things that that i was

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01:06:48,789 --> 01:06:47,760
very much influenced on

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um

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and it's just a personal thing but

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hopefully it comes through even for for

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01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,559
younger readers um when i was growing up

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01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:55,839
one of the things that i loved that

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01:06:59,589 --> 01:06:57,839
pulled me into this world was leonard

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nimoy's in search of

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01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:01,599
but when i was watching it it was on

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01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,559
like uhf channels with like static

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01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:06,880
and the the footage had already degraded

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01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:08,640
and stuff right so it had that kind of

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like

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pre-found footage kind of look to it so

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like i wanted to draw this analog

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meaning i wasn't drawing on a computer i

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wasn't using digital stuff i'm just

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01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,839
using an old-fashioned pen and brush and

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01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,880
letting

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the

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01:07:29,349 --> 01:07:27,520
um

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and also coloring it with just the

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01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,559
single tone

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01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:31,920
brings it back to that older like kind

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01:07:36,069 --> 01:07:33,680
of almost a 50s feel or something which

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01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,079
is where blue books started so um all

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01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:38,880
those sort of aesthetics play into what

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01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,960
i'm hoping becomes a feeling that the

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01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:43,119
reader will get when they're reading it

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01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:45,039
now what we're talking about uh to the

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01:07:50,789 --> 01:07:47,039
audience so they understand

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01:07:52,470 --> 01:07:50,799
is uh how many we're talking about uh

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01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,480
this is done

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01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:54,720
not in black and white

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01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:58,079
but is it is there three colors

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01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:59,119
well i draw

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01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:00,640
basically what it is i draw in black and

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01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:03,119
white and then in computer i'll do the

1522
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:04,559
the color tones there's two different

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01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,599
shades of blue right um and i use it in

1524
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,920
a very consistent way until something

1525
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:12,000
creepy happens when the creepy stuff

1526
01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:13,440
happens then the blue will change a

1527
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,440
little bit or there's some extra texture

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01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,880
um i'll do something that tells you kind

1529
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,640
of like tilting a camera

1530
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:20,880
you know in a horror film that tells you

1531
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,279
something's off um so you know we've got

1532
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:24,960
these strict color rules that we stick

1533
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:26,319
to and then we break them when some

1534
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,839
crazy stuff starts to happen yeah i mean

1535
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:29,520
are you ever going to go like butt not

1536
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:35,189
i don't want to say yeah that feels like

1537
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:36,319
a spoiler

1538
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,440
yeah i mean he's gonna just just go go

1539
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:42,239
nuts james he's gonna go nuts

1540
01:08:47,590 --> 01:08:45,310
let's do the colors my god a few shot

1541
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:47,600
[Laughter]

1542
01:08:55,669 --> 01:08:52,239
um uh and and and james

1543
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:55,679
why the the first chapter

1544
01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:57,679
is betty and barty hill now it's

1545
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,359
certainly somatic uh cinematic it's epic

1546
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:04,319
it's it's wide you know it's it's

1547
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:05,920
you know what i mean it's panavision

1548
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:08,719
it's a it's a it's a great story but why

1549
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:10,480
why betty and barney hill out of the

1550
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,759
gate

1551
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:12,799
oh i

1552
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:13,759
it's

1553
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,440
that's a that's a really good question

1554
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:17,120
and there are there are a few answers to

1555
01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:18,239
it because

1556
01:09:24,630 --> 01:09:20,480
you know when when we

1557
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:24,640
started talking about this um

1558
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,080
actually i'm gonna go a step even

1559
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:28,719
further back from that uh so about a

1560
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:30,960
year ago when i was researching the ufo

1561
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,799
issue of uh of department of truth and i

1562
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:37,120
was focusing very much on the men in

1563
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,359
black stories i picked up a bunch of

1564
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:41,920
books i was refreshing my my memories of

1565
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:43,440
stories i was reading stories for the

1566
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:46,719
first time uh and you know what it

1567
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,319
really and especially focusing on uh

1568
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:52,239
you know uh the

1569
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:54,080
he knew they knew too much about flying

1570
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:57,760
saucers the uh i think gary barker

1571
01:10:04,709 --> 01:09:58,560
uh

1572
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:04,719
experience with with the men in black

1573
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:08,560
and you know which it like definitely

1574
01:10:14,149 --> 01:10:11,679
kind of kicked off uh a lot of stories

1575
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:14,159
about uh men in black and helped build

1576
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,320
towards how i was using them in

1577
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:18,320
department of truth uh but the thing

1578
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,760
that i recognized pretty early on is

1579
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:23,280
that when i was looking at all these

1580
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:25,679
different sources that the sources that

1581
01:10:30,030 --> 01:10:28,159
i was connecting to the most were the

1582
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,040
ones that were actually written

1583
01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,640
contemporaneously the ones that actually

1584
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:35,120
came from the eras where

1585
01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,199
uh they like

1586
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:39,520
where the events actually had took place

1587
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:42,719
and so i i in doing my deep dive i i

1588
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:44,960
picked up a number of

1589
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:48,159
uh you know ufo books from the 1950s and

1590
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:51,840
60s uh just old beat up copies and one

1591
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:54,880
of them was this old beat up copy of the

1592
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,470
and bam

1593
01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,320
like and like

1594
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,800
you know not like not to knock any of

1595
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,159
the other books i think that was like

1596
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:10,560
one of the best books like as a book

1597
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,640
itself that i was reading

1598
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:14,800
uh in all of that but it was

1599
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:18,000
you know it it also it brought me back

1600
01:11:21,270 --> 01:11:19,760
uh to

1601
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,280
hearing the stories for the first time

1602
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,440
because the you know you talking about

1603
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,360
all those reference books the the betty

1604
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:27,360
and barney hill case was in every single

1605
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,640
one of those because it's one of the

1606
01:11:31,590 --> 01:11:30,239
most famous

1607
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:31,600
uh you know

1608
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:32,640
uh

1609
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:40,880
something that

1610
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,760
i started picturing it in my head and so

1611
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,360
when when i started

1612
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:46,880
and like while reading it i could

1613
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:49,040
picture it in my head as a comic and one

1614
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:50,640
and i had the thought back then it's

1615
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,360
like

1616
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:53,679
there should be a comic that tells this

1617
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:56,480
story in the same way that you know not

1618
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:57,760
like

1619
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:00,400
beyond the more action or salacious

1620
01:12:04,149 --> 01:12:02,159
comics there are a lot of non-fiction

1621
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:04,159
comic books out there in the world and

1622
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:05,760
there are lots of books about all these

1623
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:07,600
different things and one thing that i

1624
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:10,000
that has hit me over and over again

1625
01:12:14,709 --> 01:12:12,000
working on the department of truth is

1626
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:14,719
the absence of this kind of genre that

1627
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:17,520
used to that i feel used to be more

1628
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,320
common uh and i think that and what i've

1629
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:22,480
sort of taken to calling it is like i

1630
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:24,880
call it sort of the true weird genre

1631
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:27,600
like it's it's the strange cousin of

1632
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:31,040
true crime like the you know it's people

1633
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:34,480
having experiences with uh with the

1634
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,080
unknown and uh you know and like and

1635
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:39,840
actually accurately telling those

1636
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:42,480
stories because the issue is is that so

1637
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:43,440
many

1638
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:45,120
of the

1639
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,239
you know

1640
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:49,520
like so many science fiction movies and

1641
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:52,400
uh you know so much fiction that deals

1642
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:55,520
with uh ufos and all this or not ufos

1643
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:57,280
it's like spaceships and stuff like that

1644
01:13:03,350 --> 01:12:59,520
in like in

1645
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:03,360
uh contemporary fictional movies like

1646
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:05,040
they are no longer

1647
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,480
in conversation with the stories that

1648
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:11,120
inspired the original science fiction

1649
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:12,239
authors

1650
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,480
uh to create the original works of

1651
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,480
science fiction if they are in

1652
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,640
conversation with the thing the with the

1653
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,719
fiction itself and once it's in

1654
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,320
conversation with the fiction itself it

1655
01:13:27,270 --> 01:13:24,800
becomes this like little echo chamber

1656
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,280
and it doesn't speak to something deeper

1657
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,960
and greater but

1658
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:30,640
back when the fiction actually

1659
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:33,600
interacted with the the true stories of

1660
01:13:37,110 --> 01:13:35,920
people experiencing something deeply

1661
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:37,120
strange and

1662
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,960
uh in the in the world uh they're

1663
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:43,120
like there there's something raw and

1664
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,120
that's why i think there some of the the

1665
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,800
science fiction that was happening

1666
01:13:50,790 --> 01:13:49,360
contemporaneously with the

1667
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:50,800
um

1668
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:53,679
you know with the like the

1669
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:55,120
the initial

1670
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,199
uh few decades of like uh ufo sightings

1671
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:01,360
and all of that with in the 40s and 50s

1672
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:04,400
and 60s like that there's something

1673
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,840
that's still

1674
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:07,760
uh there's something still so vibrant

1675
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,360
about those stories and there there's a

1676
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:11,920
reason why we just keep remaking those

1677
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,640
stories now uh but it's like i do think

1678
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,480
that they're these stories should be out

1679
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,199
there and all that now when you read uh

1680
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:21,520
uh the interrupted journey

1681
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,840
which i've got my own history with that

1682
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,920
book too as well and that's why i

1683
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:27,679
reacted like i did

1684
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:28,400
but

1685
01:14:34,310 --> 01:14:30,880
uh it's much more

1686
01:14:35,910 --> 01:14:34,320
than just an abduction case and and when

1687
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:35,920
you read the book

1688
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:38,640
you find out very quickly

1689
01:14:46,630 --> 01:14:42,080
that it's it's terrifying it's a very

1690
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:46,640
very scary story that book was written

1691
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:48,400
60 years ago

1692
01:14:54,950 --> 01:14:53,360
pounded through the book and it is a

1693
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:54,960
page turner

1694
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:58,080
did you see and start to feel

1695
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,960
uh

1696
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:01,600
the the horrifying the terrifying

1697
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:04,000
aspects to the betty and barney hill

1698
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,880
story this wasn't unicorns this was

1699
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:08,800
something totally different

1700
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:11,280
and you know you might the the hint may

1701
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,199
be in like titles like something is

1702
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,360
killing the children but when i'm not

1703
01:15:20,229 --> 01:15:17,760
like you know dabbling in

1704
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,239
uh ufos and conspiracy series stories

1705
01:15:25,110 --> 01:15:22,320
i'm a horror writer that is my my

1706
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:25,120
primary that's my bread and butter and

1707
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:28,480
uh so seeing the

1708
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:31,840
you know like so seeing the potential in

1709
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:34,800
telling a true story that

1710
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:35,840
that

1711
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:41,040
frightening and very human uh like

1712
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,880
because that is the other thing that i

1713
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,560
think stands out about the

1714
01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:46,480
the hill case is that

1715
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:48,560
you know you get a real sense for both

1716
01:15:52,070 --> 01:15:50,640
betty and barney and the sort of people

1717
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:52,080
they were and all of that and part of it

1718
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,520
is just there there's so much uh

1719
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,360
there are so many resources that

1720
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,280
actually allow you to

1721
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,159
interact and read uh their own voices

1722
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:04,800
and their own accounts and uh

1723
01:16:10,630 --> 01:16:07,920
and that honestly allows that that gives

1724
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:10,640
you in this insight into them because

1725
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:13,360
you know a lot of times when these

1726
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,800
stories are told they are not like you

1727
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:19,360
know it's it's very the focus is very

1728
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:22,320
much on what is being seen rather than

1729
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,440
who is seeing them and without the who

1730
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:26,880
is seeing them

1731
01:16:31,590 --> 01:16:29,600
it would be a very dry comic

1732
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,600
it would it wouldn't make for

1733
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:33,760
uh you know something like that there's

1734
01:16:37,030 --> 01:16:35,520
still value in that and that's something

1735
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,040
that michael and i have discussed it's

1736
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:39,679
like we want to do these big you know

1737
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:40,719
multi

1738
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:47,120
uh accounts of these big cases like the

1739
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,159
like the hill encounter uh but then we

1740
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:52,880
also would want to then do like some

1741
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:54,800
shorter ones where it might only be 10

1742
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,120
pages altogether that tells a more

1743
01:17:02,070 --> 01:16:59,440
complete thing but you can't really go

1744
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,080
deeper than 10 pages uh because you

1745
01:17:06,229 --> 01:17:04,480
don't have the details of like

1746
01:17:08,630 --> 01:17:06,239
that person's personal life and all of

1747
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:08,640
that stuff it is a lot more like at this

1748
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:11,840
point decades later what you really have

1749
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,800
left is what they saw now

1750
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,800
you can do something there let me let me

1751
01:17:23,189 --> 01:17:19,760
jump in because now you've got

1752
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:23,199
your illustrator your anchor which is by

1753
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:24,800
the way james there's no way that that's

1754
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:25,760
a word

1755
01:17:34,229 --> 01:17:27,280
um

1756
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,239
uh the the very fine details

1757
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,640
of of these historic cases michael do

1758
01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:38,320
you find yourself

1759
01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:41,440
uh being james's editor in real time

1760
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:43,360
have you had to correct him on

1761
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:45,760
any historical nuggets

1762
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:46,480
no

1763
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,679
like i've been in the world

1764
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,520
longer more consistently

1765
01:17:58,550 --> 01:17:55,920
but anybody who knows me knows my my

1766
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:58,560
memory is just not there you know like i

1767
01:18:01,910 --> 01:18:00,400
i need to like flip through a book to

1768
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:01,920
tell you like one of my favorite stories

1769
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:05,280
is that the guy in texas uh the cop and

1770
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:06,960
i can't remember his name you know we

1771
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:08,159
saw the thing that kind of looks like a

1772
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:09,280
tic tac

1773
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,679
um like so i need to reference stuff you

1774
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:13,840
know so james has a much better memory

1775
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:15,760
than i do so sort of between the two of

1776
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,480
us

1777
01:18:20,229 --> 01:18:18,320
um we check each other a bit here and

1778
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:20,239
there and um we're just a great resource

1779
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:22,080
for each other like hey i can't remember

1780
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,520
the name of that what kind of car did

1781
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:25,440
they have betty barney hill and i'm like

1782
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:26,560
looking through the books trying to

1783
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,920
figure out which thing it is and stuff

1784
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:29,760
and i could just text him or our very

1785
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:33,120
capable editor greg lockhart who um

1786
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,440
knew nothing about this world and just

1787
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,960
started reading you know all the books

1788
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:39,360
and stuff so like our team is is

1789
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,360
to educating ourselves on the whole

1790
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:43,040
thing and it's it's great to also just

1791
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:44,159
be refreshed

1792
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,080
now i wanted to ask you about that james

1793
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:48,000
because you've brought up fiction and

1794
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:50,480
non-fiction a few times tonight

1795
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,520
and

1796
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:53,040
um

1797
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:55,840
are you focused on

1798
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:58,159
no creative

1799
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,199
right

1800
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:00,960
no creative adjustments to the

1801
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:04,239
historical narrative are you staying

1802
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,040
uh

1803
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:06,960
you know are you treating this as you

1804
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:09,679
know a non-fiction documentary

1805
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:12,159
i've i think that

1806
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:15,199
no matter what the no matter

1807
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:16,400
how

1808
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:18,400
reliant we are

1809
01:19:24,550 --> 01:19:21,040
on the on the sources and all of that

1810
01:19:27,270 --> 01:19:24,560
because this is a an adaptation into a

1811
01:19:28,790 --> 01:19:27,280
medium there are going to be uh like

1812
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:28,800
there'll be liberties there'll be

1813
01:19:33,910 --> 01:19:31,360
simplifications in certain moments but

1814
01:19:36,709 --> 01:19:33,920
the thing like you know the thing that i

1815
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:36,719
think i've already simplified in the the

1816
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:39,040
first account is i think they stopped

1817
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,120
that car like five more times uh like

1818
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,600
you know to be like but that that's not

1819
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:47,760
a compelling read is to basically be

1820
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,040
like you know what we're stopping the

1821
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:50,800
car again we're stopping the car again

1822
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,719
to step out and uh look at the the the

1823
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:56,560
saucer that was flying

1824
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,560
that was following them but it is

1825
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:00,320
something that

1826
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,440
would uh what what i am focused on a

1827
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:05,520
much more is

1828
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:07,040
how to

1829
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:11,520
is not sensationalizing it is trying to

1830
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:15,760
take the the honest heart of what what

1831
01:20:21,110 --> 01:20:19,760
happened in you know in their accounts

1832
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:21,120
uh and

1833
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:22,480
and and

1834
01:20:27,189 --> 01:20:24,400
like and capture that and like and

1835
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:27,199
capture that genuinely and not try to

1836
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,320
add a spin to it not try to add anything

1837
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:32,639
it's we wanted to present we're trying

1838
01:20:38,470 --> 01:20:35,280
to present information rather than going

1839
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,480
into this with a real uh thesis uh

1840
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:40,639
beyond like the only thesis to what

1841
01:20:45,110 --> 01:20:42,639
we're doing is that we think these

1842
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:45,120
stories should be told and and i think

1843
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,560
ultimately you know i i i imagine and

1844
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:50,000
this is something that you know that

1845
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,080
we're talking about a book that is still

1846
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,760
in proc we're in the process of writing

1847
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:55,840
it we're working on a chapter to chapter

1848
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:58,159
uh but i imagine it'll end

1849
01:21:00,790 --> 01:20:59,760
with uh

1850
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:00,800
you know

1851
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,679
with betty's uh interac interactions

1852
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:05,920
with the community uh

1853
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:08,639
that that uh you know and

1854
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,719
her like pursuit to and her desire to

1855
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:14,480
her pursuit for answers and also her

1856
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:15,920
pursuit for

1857
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:18,159
to to help people who would experience

1858
01:21:21,910 --> 01:21:19,840
uh what she had experienced and all of

1859
01:21:25,350 --> 01:21:21,920
that and it's the importance of these

1860
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,360
stories continuing to exist in the ether

1861
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:28,000
of american culture and beyond american

1862
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:30,880
culture the just the you know

1863
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:34,320
the original stories need to stay alive

1864
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:37,120
uh they can't just all be replaced with

1865
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:38,639
uh you know

1866
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:41,440
pure fiction because the real stories

1867
01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,159
say something real about it's already

1868
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:47,360
sensational right it's already big

1869
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:50,320
right it's it's already there and and

1870
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:53,040
you have a great guy to run with

1871
01:21:58,950 --> 01:21:56,000
but i'm going to go here and michael you

1872
01:22:00,950 --> 01:21:58,960
can tell me to stop if i'm going too far

1873
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:00,960
um which is this

1874
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,719
uh you are going to eventually

1875
01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:06,639
you're going to have to get into

1876
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:07,760
uh

1877
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:10,639
the the hypnosis and those sessions

1878
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:13,280
which are truly

1879
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:14,080
uh

1880
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,000
emotional i'm staying in bounds here

1881
01:22:23,669 --> 01:22:21,199
but it also goes into a zone

1882
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,679
that is very

1883
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:25,199
what's the word i'm going to use the

1884
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:27,280
word adult

1885
01:22:31,110 --> 01:22:29,440
it goes into a very

1886
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:31,120
adult area

1887
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,480
um and it is it's terrifying both as a

1888
01:22:38,709 --> 01:22:37,040
reader of the interrupted journey but

1889
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,719
knowing what they went through but

1890
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,560
that's an opportunity

1891
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:43,199
just if you stay word for word

1892
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,639
uh there

1893
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:46,880
to present something that is uh

1894
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:49,679
terrifying that is that is horrifying

1895
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,320
and is there a better medium than yours

1896
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:54,320
to do this with

1897
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,800
well i i i don't think there is and i

1898
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:58,800
mean part of it is i'm you know i'm a

1899
01:23:02,629 --> 01:23:00,880
comic book evangelical like i'm

1900
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,639
evangelical about comic books like

1901
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,159
comics are my

1902
01:23:08,390 --> 01:23:06,480
my my life and i

1903
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,400
you know i want to be making comics for

1904
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,320
the rest of my life and

1905
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:12,159
i think that there is a tremendous power

1906
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:15,360
to comics uh because the in the way

1907
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,239
that

1908
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:18,960
readers can interact with like readers

1909
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:21,199
control the pace at which they read a

1910
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,360
story which means that you know as as uh

1911
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:27,199
you know a writer working with an artist

1912
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:30,719
like we our job is to find moments where

1913
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:33,040
we arrest the reader

1914
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:35,920
uh with either our words or with the

1915
01:23:39,430 --> 01:23:37,120
images

1916
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,440
and and really sort of you know hold

1917
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,440
them in place so they don't just you

1918
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:44,560
know scan past a moment and so honestly

1919
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,719
like dealing with the the hypnosis uh

1920
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,800
part of this story is going to be it's

1921
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:53,040
going to be very challenging but it's a

1922
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,159
it's a creative challenge that i am i'm

1923
01:24:01,030 --> 01:23:58,719
excited for because like one of the

1924
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,040
other things that just led to

1925
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,520
the creation of this book in general is

1926
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,719
you know this is my first time adapting

1927
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:09,040
from source material and it's you know

1928
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,480
when we have

1929
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:13,199
i've about uh like you know obviously

1930
01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:15,760
like i have the interrupted journey i

1931
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,639
have captured uh like you know and then

1932
01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:20,560
i have another number of other books

1933
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:21,440
that

1934
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:24,480
like come at it from like it's only like

1935
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:26,480
it's only an entry in my ufo

1936
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:29,360
encyclopedia but it's like but honestly

1937
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:31,760
the bibliography in the ufo encyclopedia

1938
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:34,480
then helped me uh you know go in the

1939
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:36,080
direction of a bunch of other stuff so

1940
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,560
it's like i love doing research research

1941
01:24:41,669 --> 01:24:40,239
is like that's my favorite part of

1942
01:24:43,990 --> 01:24:41,679
working on department of truth that's my

1943
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:44,000
favorite part of working on blue book uh

1944
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:45,840
and it is something where

1945
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:46,880
i

1946
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:01,120
you know

1947
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:02,400
it is

1948
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:05,120
how to avoid honestly repetition like

1949
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:06,639
because it is one of those things where

1950
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,040
it's like i'm still trying to

1951
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:11,440
you know as much as like it's staying

1952
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:14,880
true to the the material while also

1953
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:17,679
making a good reading experience for for

1954
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,120
someone and the creative like

1955
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,800
you know

1956
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,800
the uh the creative questions that you

1957
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:26,800
kind of have to ask yourself as you are

1958
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:31,040
adapting something on the fly uh are

1959
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:33,520
like it's it's it is a really really

1960
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:35,679
fascinating process it's unlike anything

1961
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:36,960
i've worked on before and it's

1962
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,920
incredibly thrilling uh to just be able

1963
01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,440
to sort of

1964
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:44,080
tap into all of this and and and see

1965
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:45,920
where it takes me but which is a lot to

1966
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:48,000
say is like this is one of the next

1967
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,679
things i need to write and i have a lot

1968
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:51,440
of thoughts about how i'm gonna like

1969
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:52,880
write it and then i'm gonna talk to

1970
01:25:57,750 --> 01:25:54,800
michael about how like how i write it

1971
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:57,760
and all of it uh but it's the that is

1972
01:26:02,629 --> 01:25:59,360
the that's the big question of what

1973
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,639
comes next uh as we get into the story

1974
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:04,639
of what happened when they returned home

1975
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:07,920
to uh new hampshire uh and started

1976
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:10,159
realizing that what happened to them was

1977
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:11,760
much more than

1978
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:15,120
what uh you know the already the already

1979
01:26:20,870 --> 01:26:17,440
terrifying events that uh they

1980
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:20,880
remembered taking place now michael uh

1981
01:26:26,310 --> 01:26:25,040
you you get to draw some flying saucers

1982
01:26:28,790 --> 01:26:26,320
right

1983
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:28,800
how how cool is that you get to

1984
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:33,120
get into these uh species and grays and

1985
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:36,320
and and and all of that and the interior

1986
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,600
of of of flying how cool is that for you

1987
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:40,800
to finally

1988
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:43,440
uh let loose

1989
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:46,000
it's really cool it's it's intimidating

1990
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,639
because um especially in the barney and

1991
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:51,440
betty hill story you tend to start to

1992
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,960
think you know them as people when

1993
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:54,480
you're working on it

1994
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,520
um

1995
01:26:58,629 --> 01:26:57,360
so you want to represent what they saw

1996
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,639
as as

1997
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,880
carefully as possible you know

1998
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:02,000
um

1999
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:04,719
one thing i didn't do uh there's a scene

2000
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,679
where

2001
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,000
barney first describes the aliens and

2002
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,480
one of them he has these mixed images or

2003
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,760
what we call uh

2004
01:27:16,550 --> 01:27:13,760
something memories like screen memories

2005
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,560
right right so like he initially recalls

2006
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:18,159
in his dreams or something that seeing

2007
01:27:22,149 --> 01:27:20,000
them in like captains uniforms and being

2008
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,159
very human-like and yeah even has an

2009
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,560
image of one of the the quote grays

2010
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:26,239
which didn't quite look like the greys

2011
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:27,520
we know now

2012
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:29,040
so i made sure to model it off of their

2013
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,920
sketches not of not of modern grades but

2014
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,840
like how they describe them but like in

2015
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,280
one of them you described the guy having

2016
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,600
a hat on you know i am not going to draw

2017
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:40,000
a gray with a hat on because it's just

2018
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:41,679
not going to translate

2019
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,560
you know

2020
01:27:46,629 --> 01:27:44,639
in this horrifying moment this bizarre

2021
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:46,639
scene isn't go you know it might work in

2022
01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:48,400
film but i don't know how it would work

2023
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,600
in the comic

2024
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,280
so it is fun to draw this stuff but i'm

2025
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,199
really trying to channel the people who

2026
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:55,840
experienced it as as much as possible

2027
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,719
um

2028
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:58,080
so when i was drawing these pages

2029
01:28:01,750 --> 01:28:00,000
there's actually not a lot of shots of

2030
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,760
the of the the ship

2031
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:03,360
that that follows them we do see it

2032
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,120
pretty clearly a couple times but i'm

2033
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,199
concentrating on their experience what

2034
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:09,199
was what were they feeling

2035
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,440
um betty had a very kind of zen-like

2036
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,480
thing where it felt like she while not

2037
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,320
welcoming the experience

2038
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,560
allowed it to kind of happen to her and

2039
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:20,880
to soak it in and think about it

2040
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:23,760
barney fought it every step of the way

2041
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,600
um so i'm drawing barney with a lot of

2042
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:28,080
pain in his eyes like what he's seeing

2043
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,920
he's not just not understanding he's not

2044
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,400
just afraid it's breaking his mind it's

2045
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,560
it's it's you know that's at least

2046
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:35,840
that's the feeling i get when i listen

2047
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:37,199
to like the hypnosis tapes and his

2048
01:28:41,669 --> 01:28:39,440
horror i want the way he describes it

2049
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:41,679
regularly yes so that's the stuff i'm

2050
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,320
really really trying to capture uh the

2051
01:28:49,030 --> 01:28:46,320
book uh the interrupted journey it's a

2052
01:28:52,629 --> 01:28:49,040
great uh reference uh

2053
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:52,639
for sure but the other part is those

2054
01:28:56,229 --> 01:28:54,080
those tapes

2055
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:56,239
james i'm sure that you've listened to

2056
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:59,199
them and the emotion about what is going

2057
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,639
down there

2058
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:02,320
is uh pretty incredible how did that

2059
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,400
make you feel

2060
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:07,040
i mean it's it's overwhelming it's like

2061
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:09,280
it is uh

2062
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:11,520
it's incredibly affecting and it's one

2063
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,800
of those things that it is

2064
01:29:17,910 --> 01:29:16,320
i don't know it's

2065
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:17,920
like

2066
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:20,480
it's it's daunting it's daunting to

2067
01:29:25,350 --> 01:29:23,040
approach it as someone who's like you

2068
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:25,360
know going to be interacting

2069
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,080
uh with all this and in the way that we

2070
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:30,400
are because it's just like there's

2071
01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:33,199
a responsibility here for

2072
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:36,159
uh to capture a really

2073
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:39,760
like a very human response to something

2074
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:41,920
that you know was

2075
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:44,080
like something fundamentally

2076
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,480
inhuman that that was happening and it

2077
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:48,960
is this you know when

2078
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:50,960
like

2079
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,920
i don't know it is something that i am

2080
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,360
uh

2081
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,600
you know i i desperately want i want to

2082
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,719
get it right that is that that's the big

2083
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:02,880
thing but i mean just like personally i

2084
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:05,360
found it deeply deeply affecting and it

2085
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,480
is you know and i think even

2086
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:10,400
you know when when i was a kid obviously

2087
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:13,199
i wasn't listening uh to those

2088
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:17,760
to the tapes but it was uh i remembered

2089
01:30:22,229 --> 01:30:20,560
like the the fact that you know because

2090
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:22,239
when you're a kid and you're fascinated

2091
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:24,880
with ufos it's just like you you always

2092
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:27,120
want the it's like oh if i saw one i

2093
01:30:31,990 --> 01:30:29,360
would just be like so happy that i saw

2094
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:32,000
one and it was just like even then as

2095
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,000
like a five-year-old understanding is

2096
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:36,320
like this is someone who is not happy

2097
01:30:38,310 --> 01:30:37,360
about

2098
01:30:40,070 --> 01:30:38,320
uh

2099
01:30:42,070 --> 01:30:40,080
about what was going on and then on top

2100
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,080
of that there's you know the other thing

2101
01:30:46,470 --> 01:30:44,159
with barney that i find so fascinating

2102
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,480
is like betty is obviously like she's

2103
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,280
more willing to engage in all the

2104
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,120
possibilities of what happened to them

2105
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:53,840
and all of that and barney uh is

2106
01:30:59,030 --> 01:30:55,840
resistant uh the entire time and

2107
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:59,040
partially you know uh like you you could

2108
01:31:03,510 --> 01:31:01,360
ascribe that to uh

2109
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:03,520
you know what the what k

2110
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,040
what would ultimately come out of those

2111
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:07,120
tapes or you could also just describe it

2112
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:07,840
to

2113
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:10,159
uh the time and the fact that it's like

2114
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:14,000
this is there's there is on you know any

2115
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:16,880
level a kind of violation that happened

2116
01:31:19,350 --> 01:31:18,480
because it's

2117
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:19,360
you know

2118
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:22,639
it's just the idea that you if for any

2119
01:31:27,110 --> 01:31:25,600
moment like the agency of your life was

2120
01:31:29,430 --> 01:31:27,120
taken away from you

2121
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:29,440
uh and just the idea of missing time

2122
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:32,639
itself is a violation it's like any all

2123
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:34,320
of these things are just like it's

2124
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:36,320
something taken from you and it's

2125
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:37,840
something that

2126
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:42,480
like grappling with that uh as you know

2127
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:45,840
like as a man as a like you know as

2128
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:48,639
especially as uh you know a black man in

2129
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:51,280
the 1960s it's just like there is so

2130
01:31:56,470 --> 01:31:54,639
much going on uh with with uh with

2131
01:31:59,030 --> 01:31:56,480
barney hill he is

2132
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:59,040
you know like you know i always want to

2133
01:32:01,990 --> 01:32:00,320
resist like

2134
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:02,000
calling him like a fascinating character

2135
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:03,280
because it's just like no he's a

2136
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:05,840
fascinating man who was real that ex who

2137
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:08,880
existed in the world and uh

2138
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,960
you know the which which means there is

2139
01:32:16,229 --> 01:32:12,960
more of a responsibility to tell his

2140
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:16,239
story uh with uh with you know

2141
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:18,880
with tact and grace yes yes we got to

2142
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:20,480
take our break here and you know the the

2143
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:22,560
other aspect you know which is

2144
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:24,400
something that we've got to be very

2145
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:25,600
aware of

2146
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,040
it's one thing to have the issues of an

2147
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,239
interracial relationship in 1961

2148
01:32:36,709 --> 01:32:34,159
it's a whole other thing to add alien

2149
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:36,719
abduction on top of that right that's a

2150
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:38,880
whole other issue you don't need this is

2151
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:41,840
fade to black i'm yours jimmy church

2152
01:32:45,390 --> 01:32:43,760
more with project blue book when we come

2153
01:32:51,669 --> 01:32:45,400
back after the short break stay with us

2154
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:54,790
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2155
01:32:59,750 --> 01:32:57,920
you're listening to fade to black

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01:33:02,390 --> 01:32:59,760
always on the edge of the hottest

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alternative talk jimmy church with fade

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[Applause]

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01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:21,830
do you want to be an official fate or

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not of course you do this is jimmy

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back to this conversation

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01:38:03,669 --> 01:37:59,360
um this is this uh welcome back james

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01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:03,679
and michael um this is uh what uh i i

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01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,320
find so interesting that right before

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01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,760
the break

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01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:09,600
i'm sure michael caught it i said

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01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,440
project blue book

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01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:13,199
right okay

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01:38:16,550 --> 01:38:14,159
uh

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01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,560
i'm not sure james did you see the

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01:38:21,189 --> 01:38:18,560
series

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01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:21,199
uh i have seen a few episodes of the

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01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:23,199
series i've not seen the whole series

2266
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,119
okay this is we were talking about this

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01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,239
earlier but i liked my freudian slip

2268
01:38:33,510 --> 01:38:30,880
so i can segue back into that part of

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01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:33,520
the conversation the problem with that

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01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:34,960
series

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01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,400
um and i i noticed it from episode one

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01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:40,159
suddenly

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01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,400
uh they took they took

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01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:45,360
they took a huge amount of artistic

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01:38:51,270 --> 01:38:48,960
freedom uh to get creative and

2276
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:51,280
and i guess help the storyline along

2277
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:52,960
okay but

2278
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:56,159
serious inaccuracies and

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01:39:06,550 --> 01:38:57,119
and

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01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:06,560
caught up in that

2281
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:09,920
and what i ended up doing was i had to

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01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,239
let my mind go michael i know you heard

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01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,000
me talk about this many times on the

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01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:17,520
show in that i just had to let it go

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01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:18,639
and just

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01:39:23,669 --> 01:39:21,280
enjoy it as

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01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:23,679
non-fiction right

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01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:27,280
and just and just uh or enjoy it as

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01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:30,960
fiction not non-fiction and and and just

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01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:32,400
go with it

2291
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:35,840
but you will have critics if you if you

2292
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:37,600
bust off of that

2293
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,600
and that is something that is very

2294
01:39:44,070 --> 01:39:42,000
important not only in the illustrations

2295
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,080
and the way that things are presented

2296
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:46,320
because somebody's going to say man the

2297
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:48,639
saucer didn't look like that dude

2298
01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:51,920
right the the the grays didn't look no

2299
01:39:58,950 --> 01:39:57,750
and you've got to be

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01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:58,960
this is something you have to be

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01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,920
cognizant of right mike

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01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,239
yeah um i mean we are absolutely trying

2303
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,400
our best to be as accurate as possible

2304
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:08,400
um to the point of like there's things

2305
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:10,639
i'm figuring out now that i normally do

2306
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:13,440
in comics that i can't do in this story

2307
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:15,840
um for instance at the beginning of this

2308
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:17,199
uh you'll notice that that betty's

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01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:19,119
wearing a jacket

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01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:22,000
i i don't think she wore a jacket um i

2311
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:23,760
just surmised that is that when i when

2312
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:25,360
i'm drawing a book i think about things

2313
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:26,880
like the environment where are they

2314
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:28,960
they're driving a car at night it's like

2315
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:30,080
september

2316
01:40:33,109 --> 01:40:31,440
so i'm thinking it's cold and they're in

2317
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:33,119
canada and stuff so i don't know if she

2318
01:40:37,830 --> 01:40:35,840
has a jacket on and i don't there's no i

2319
01:40:39,030 --> 01:40:37,840
don't have any recall of listening to

2320
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:39,040
any of the stories of reading them where

2321
01:40:43,189 --> 01:40:40,480
the jacket is an issue we talk about the

2322
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:43,199
dress we talk about his uh his clothing

2323
01:40:46,870 --> 01:40:45,119
we talk about like the shoes being

2324
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:46,880
scuffed up like that's all in that's

2325
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:49,280
that's all recounted but i put a jacket

2326
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,880
on her and afterwards like damn it i

2327
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,360
don't think she had a jacket on so like

2328
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:55,440
even that even to that extent i'm we're

2329
01:40:59,910 --> 01:40:57,920
trying our best to stay on top and make

2330
01:41:01,750 --> 01:40:59,920
things right and the beautiful thing is

2331
01:41:03,189 --> 01:41:01,760
because we're digital first well

2332
01:41:05,109 --> 01:41:03,199
eventually this will eventually see

2333
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,119
print if there's something that that

2334
01:41:10,070 --> 01:41:07,600
really bugs us um without being nitpicky

2335
01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,080
we can go ahead and fix it if if we

2336
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:12,080
choose to you know so we are definitely

2337
01:41:15,750 --> 01:41:13,760
doing our best and i feel the

2338
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:15,760
responsibility in the eyes of the ufo

2339
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,679
community watching us yeah reddit will

2340
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:19,920
fix it for you yeah

2341
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:23,040
yeah no question about it and uh now i

2342
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,920
wanted to because james earlier and i

2343
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:27,520
find this interesting

2344
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:31,520
where you guys want to ride this to a

2345
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:32,800
conclusion

2346
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:35,119
right and you know getting out there uh

2347
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:37,119
with betty and and her dealing with the

2348
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:40,080
community and so so there's all of that

2349
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:41,920
in between stuff now i just brought up

2350
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:43,600
the star map

2351
01:41:48,310 --> 01:41:45,440
which uh

2352
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,320
happened much later now it happened

2353
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:50,800
obviously in 1961

2354
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:56,400
but what happened in 1969 1970 71 72

2355
01:42:01,350 --> 01:41:58,960
with the resolution of the star map and

2356
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,360
how that was revealed

2357
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:04,080
is that something that you are going to

2358
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,480
include somehow

2359
01:42:11,590 --> 01:42:08,560
because you've got a linear time that

2360
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,600
you need to deal with so how far

2361
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:13,360
into the conclusion are you guys going

2362
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:15,199
to go

2363
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:17,679
that's a really good question uh i kind

2364
01:42:22,229 --> 01:42:20,159
of feel like we have to we have to take

2365
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,239
it that far because it is one of those

2366
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:24,239
things where like so many

2367
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:25,520
of

2368
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,199
in uh

2369
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:39,199
in a story like

2370
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,760
like the hill encounter and so actually

2371
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:43,440
being able to

2372
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:47,119
uh to tap into that uh like it and and

2373
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:48,639
wield that like

2374
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:53,040
i do think that as the story moves on uh

2375
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:56,400
like the the first three chapters tell

2376
01:43:02,390 --> 01:42:59,280
the initial encounter like the you know

2377
01:43:04,709 --> 01:43:02,400
it's the first 30 pages basically uh

2378
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,719
that you know it is the the first

2379
01:43:08,870 --> 01:43:06,800
encounter with with the

2380
01:43:10,790 --> 01:43:08,880
you know with the ufo but it's before

2381
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:10,800
and we see the missing time and all of

2382
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:13,119
that i'm sorry to spoil but i have a

2383
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,239
feeling this the this community it like

2384
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,199
is pretty familiar with uh with the the

2385
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:21,360
course of events uh but it is

2386
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,280
uh but and then in the next section like

2387
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:26,719
i'm sort of you know the way that i'm

2388
01:43:31,830 --> 01:43:29,280
thinking about it is kind of in you know

2389
01:43:34,149 --> 01:43:31,840
in sort of three acts and it's like the

2390
01:43:36,149 --> 01:43:34,159
first act is the initial encounter the

2391
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:36,159
second act is

2392
01:43:41,350 --> 01:43:40,320
the you know the uncovering of okay this

2393
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,360
is

2394
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:43,440
like there there was more going on and

2395
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:46,000
all of that and then the last chapter i

2396
01:43:49,350 --> 01:43:47,199
think will

2397
01:43:51,189 --> 01:43:49,360
uh probably or not the last chapter the

2398
01:43:54,709 --> 01:43:51,199
last act which will probably be another

2399
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:54,719
three chapters we'll uh we'll deal with

2400
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:55,600
the

2401
01:43:59,109 --> 01:43:57,440
you know it would like i think we'll

2402
01:44:02,870 --> 01:43:59,119
we'll deal with the star map but we'll

2403
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:02,880
deal with the um you know but all

2404
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:05,280
them becoming national figures

2405
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:08,400
that that element of the story

2406
01:44:13,590 --> 01:44:11,520
uh and you know it'll also deal with uh

2407
01:44:14,709 --> 01:44:13,600
barney's death like because i i feel

2408
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,719
like that

2409
01:44:20,390 --> 01:44:17,199
uh that has a key

2410
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,400
place in this story as well uh and so it

2411
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:22,719
is something that all of those pieces

2412
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:24,639
together i think like i think it does

2413
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:25,760
sort of

2414
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,480
situate it does situate into those sort

2415
01:44:33,830 --> 01:44:30,080
of three

2416
01:44:34,950 --> 01:44:33,840
types of like you know arenas of story

2417
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:34,960
to tell

2418
01:44:39,270 --> 01:44:37,040
um now

2419
01:44:40,310 --> 01:44:39,280
it's called blue book

2420
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,320
so

2421
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:41,840
are your

2422
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:42,719
uh

2423
01:44:50,550 --> 01:44:48,960
going to focus on cases from blue book

2424
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,560
or are you going to venture out beyond

2425
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:52,000
that

2426
01:44:56,070 --> 01:44:53,840
our goal is to venture out beyond like

2427
01:44:57,830 --> 01:44:56,080
blue book and it's also that's why it's

2428
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:57,840
not called project blue book and all of

2429
01:45:01,590 --> 01:45:00,080
that uh like you know blue book

2430
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:01,600
references the way in which we're

2431
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:04,480
telling the story uh almost it's more

2432
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:06,639
than anything else it's you know blue

2433
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:08,639
project blue book obviously

2434
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:12,080
uh like being an investigative entity

2435
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:14,000
trying to find the truth about ufos we

2436
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:18,159
want to tap into the idea of you know

2437
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:20,400
approaching ufos from

2438
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:22,639
uh a considered

2439
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:24,080
like you know

2440
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:25,520
from like

2441
01:45:31,109 --> 01:45:27,920
trying to lay out the facts like that

2442
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,119
that we want that to be a core priority

2443
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:33,360
and then secondarily we want to sort of

2444
01:45:38,950 --> 01:45:36,320
capture that like the vibe of blue book

2445
01:45:40,390 --> 01:45:38,960
and all of that so when the the betty

2446
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:40,400
and barney hill

2447
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,480
section of blue book ultimately comes

2448
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:45,280
out whether that's blue book volume one

2449
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:48,800
or if we give it its own like catchy

2450
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:51,360
you know title it's like that night in

2451
01:45:55,669 --> 01:45:53,440
new hampshire like i don't know what

2452
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:55,679
what what we'll go with uh it's hard to

2453
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:58,080
beat the interrupted journey uh but it

2454
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:01,840
is uh you know but it's like it might be

2455
01:46:06,470 --> 01:46:04,560
title a blue book story and then you

2456
01:46:08,709 --> 01:46:06,480
sort of see the so we're we're still

2457
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:08,719
figuring that out uh for

2458
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:11,119
so your readers understand if so your

2459
01:46:15,510 --> 01:46:12,880
listeners understand like one of the

2460
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:15,520
things that's exciting about this whole

2461
01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:18,080
uh project is you know when i i got into

2462
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:20,639
this i i talked about this a little like

2463
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:23,520
in the first half hour is the fact that

2464
01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:26,719
uh this is all happening uh right now

2465
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,400
would be it's all being released

2466
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:31,119
digitally as a part of my sub stack

2467
01:46:37,910 --> 01:46:35,679
newsletter uh and you know i i had the

2468
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:37,920
you know sub stack reached out to me

2469
01:46:43,109 --> 01:46:40,320
with a grant to create new comics on

2470
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:43,119
their platform uh which means that the

2471
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:45,760
people who you know follow and subscribe

2472
01:46:49,270 --> 01:46:48,320
with a paid subscription on that on that

2473
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:49,280
service

2474
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:52,239
uh will you know they'll see a number of

2475
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,320
different comic projects come out from

2476
01:46:59,189 --> 01:46:56,880
me uh like over the course of the next

2477
01:47:01,669 --> 01:46:59,199
year and blue book is the first of those

2478
01:47:04,070 --> 01:47:01,679
uh it's one that's like deeply important

2479
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,080
to my heart and all of that uh but one

2480
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:06,880
of the it's kind of a cool thing because

2481
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:09,360
normally this part of the process

2482
01:47:13,830 --> 01:47:12,320
happens behind closed doors

2483
01:47:16,790 --> 01:47:13,840
uh because you're basically getting to

2484
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:16,800
see the production of a graphic novel

2485
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,000
uh as it happens you know like there is

2486
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:22,480
no other project where you know

2487
01:47:25,590 --> 01:47:23,600
literally

2488
01:47:28,470 --> 01:47:25,600
you know uh

2489
01:47:31,109 --> 01:47:28,480
michael just turned in page 30 and i am

2490
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:31,119
turning in the script for you know the

2491
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:33,520
next 10 page chapters in the next few

2492
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:36,560
days and it's all like it's the where we

2493
01:47:39,910 --> 01:47:38,800
are working and all of that and i'm sure

2494
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,920
there will be

2495
01:47:43,669 --> 01:47:41,520
like once it's finally released there'll

2496
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,679
be revisions and all of that stuff so

2497
01:47:46,870 --> 01:47:45,280
you kind of get a sneak peek at the

2498
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:46,880
first draft

2499
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:48,639
of what we're putting together and we're

2500
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:52,320
making sure it's a very professional

2501
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:53,840
first draft makes it sound like it's a

2502
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:56,239
little uh a little little looser around

2503
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:58,400
the edges but it is something where we

2504
01:48:01,430 --> 01:47:59,199
are

2505
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:01,440
like you know for for people who like

2506
01:48:05,590 --> 01:48:03,440
seeing the creative process who likes

2507
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:05,600
seeing how all these things sort of come

2508
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:06,480
together

2509
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:08,800
uh i encourage you to

2510
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:09,679
you know

2511
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:12,560
uh go to the link and uh subscribe

2512
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:14,880
because you'll see this you know this

2513
01:48:19,510 --> 01:48:17,520
whole project come together and then uh

2514
01:48:22,070 --> 01:48:19,520
you know hopefully continue and then

2515
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:22,080
continue beyond all of this uh

2516
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:24,400
and you know one like the other thing

2517
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:27,440
that i i wanted to mention to uh your

2518
01:48:32,149 --> 01:48:30,239
your listeners here is that uh you know

2519
01:48:33,990 --> 01:48:32,159
so blue book is going to run basically

2520
01:48:36,950 --> 01:48:34,000
twice a month there'll be 10 page

2521
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,960
chapters released on fridays uh and you

2522
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,199
can go i you know there's the sub stack

2523
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:41,520
address but i bought the url

2524
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:43,840
read bluebook.com

2525
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:46,880
uh like as a simple so you don't have i

2526
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,239
you know no one has to worry about

2527
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,480
spelling my last name just read

2528
01:48:55,990 --> 01:48:52,719
bluebook.com and it'll take you directly

2529
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:56,000
to the to uh the blue book page on my

2530
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:58,000
newsletter and you can read the first

2531
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:00,960
chapter of blue book for free uh and

2532
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:03,440
then you know hopefully you like it and

2533
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:05,760
you subscribe and you can uh you know

2534
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:07,600
see these come out basically every two

2535
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:10,159
weeks and then interchanging with them i

2536
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:11,920
have a new feature that i'm going to

2537
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:13,599
announce to you guys that's not going to

2538
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,239
be announced actually until this friday

2539
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:18,480
so uh you know

2540
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:20,400
like uh

2541
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:23,199
don't tell anyone just yet but uh as a

2542
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,719
kind of extension of what i've been

2543
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:26,239
doing over

2544
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,360
on uh on the department of truth in one

2545
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:31,360
of the summer storylines on department

2546
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:33,920
of truth we started getting into the

2547
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,040
cryptid side of the department of truth

2548
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:39,920
uh with our you know two issues focused

2549
01:49:43,510 --> 01:49:41,360
on uh

2550
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:43,520
you know on bigfoot and

2551
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:46,080
that like those were our two highest

2552
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:48,239
selling issues since our first issue

2553
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:50,960
people love bigfoot uh and so we're

2554
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:54,239
gonna create a a recurring feature that

2555
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:55,679
we're basically reaching out to a bunch

2556
01:50:02,229 --> 01:49:58,159
of my favorite illustrators in all of

2557
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:02,239
comics to do uh illustrations based on

2558
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:03,840
uh cryptids and then we're gonna have a

2559
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:07,280
case file that sort of puts together uh

2560
01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:09,599
sort of what you know a bunch of the the

2561
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:11,280
histories of these different cryptids so

2562
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:13,040
it's basically a kind of zoo book for

2563
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:16,000
cryptids that's going to run on fridays

2564
01:50:20,310 --> 01:50:18,159
interchanging with uh

2565
01:50:23,350 --> 01:50:20,320
you know like fridays will always be

2566
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:23,360
sort of my true weird uh day where it'll

2567
01:50:28,229 --> 01:50:25,760
either be a chapter of blue book or

2568
01:50:30,310 --> 01:50:28,239
uh department of truth wild fictions uh

2569
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,320
so i hope you check that out i'm sorry

2570
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:32,880
for shifting into plug mode no that's

2571
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:36,320
fine no plug away plug away but are if

2572
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,400
um uh

2573
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,560
once you guys reach out beyond betty and

2574
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,920
barney hill

2575
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:44,320
are you going to

2576
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:47,199
uh stay in the historical narrative you

2577
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:50,080
know cases from the 50s and 60s

2578
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,520
uh or

2579
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:53,920
is there the possibility of going with

2580
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,560
some more modern things that have

2581
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,320
happened you know like rendal shim or

2582
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:00,960
the tic tac uh for instance randall shim

2583
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:02,960
is one that uh michael and i have talked

2584
01:51:09,270 --> 01:51:06,800
about i think the the guiding light are

2585
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:09,280
stories that have multiple sources uh

2586
01:51:14,070 --> 01:51:12,080
that that i think is the

2587
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:14,080
the key thing because like what i love

2588
01:51:18,790 --> 01:51:16,000
about working on

2589
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:18,800
on this book like i have five books laid

2590
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,639
out in front of me that i can sort of

2591
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:22,560
cross-reference and i can sort of pull

2592
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:25,520
different pieces from uh each one sort

2593
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:27,679
of you know gives a different

2594
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,040
level of uh detail and all of that and

2595
01:51:34,950 --> 01:51:32,960
it's sort of you know

2596
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:34,960
you can kind of boil it all down

2597
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:38,320
uh when it gets down to a single source

2598
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:41,440
it starts uh you know like it starts

2599
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:44,880
feeling a lot more subjective and i

2600
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,119
so like rendelsham is perfect like

2601
01:51:50,390 --> 01:51:48,800
rendlesham there are so many different

2602
01:51:52,709 --> 01:51:50,400
things to pull from there's so much

2603
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:52,719
written about it uh and it's a case that

2604
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:55,520
i'm like personally deeply fascinated in

2605
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:57,760
uh you know so like i think we'll lean

2606
01:52:02,390 --> 01:51:59,679
into that and then and then on top of

2607
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:02,400
that i do think we want to do uh like

2608
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:06,320
short pieces uh that that just you know

2609
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:08,960
like a kind of one and done like really

2610
01:52:12,629 --> 01:52:11,599
fascinating story and then yeah i know

2611
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:12,639
michael is

2612
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:15,040
we've talked about doing like the more

2613
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:17,920
deep dive historical ones like the pre

2614
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:20,320
you know pre-flying saucer

2615
01:52:22,470 --> 01:52:21,199
uh

2616
01:52:24,310 --> 01:52:22,480
you know but that might be a little

2617
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,320
further down the road once we've sort of

2618
01:52:28,870 --> 01:52:25,920
defined what

2619
01:52:31,350 --> 01:52:28,880
like what is in the auspices of uh like

2620
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:31,360
of blue book as a comic project uh

2621
01:52:36,870 --> 01:52:34,960
michael what would be pre-flying saucer

2622
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:36,880
like in the in the 1800s you know

2623
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,159
there's all these stories of the

2624
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:40,239
airships and they're exactly the same

2625
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:42,239
they're but they're instead of flying

2626
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:44,159
saucers they're balloons and there's

2627
01:52:48,550 --> 01:52:46,080
weird semi-human looking people with

2628
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:48,560
fake beards on it sounds ridiculous but

2629
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,520
you know and some of the stories were

2630
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,360
clearly made up but some of them were

2631
01:52:54,870 --> 01:52:53,599
supposedly this is this is however the

2632
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:54,880
you know we know the phenomenon like

2633
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:57,199
seems to present itself in

2634
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,960
ways that match the time period for

2635
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:00,719
whatever reason you know

2636
01:53:03,750 --> 01:53:02,239
um so so those are some of those stories

2637
01:53:05,109 --> 01:53:03,760
i mean they're fascinating you know to

2638
01:53:06,709 --> 01:53:05,119
me they're like they say they're from

2639
01:53:09,109 --> 01:53:06,719
venus and they're in a hot air balloon

2640
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:09,119
and they just wrote down with the stuff

2641
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:10,880
um but it still ties into a lot of the

2642
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:12,400
same themes and has a lot of the same

2643
01:53:15,990 --> 01:53:13,920
meanings to it so

2644
01:53:17,350 --> 01:53:16,000
i think all those things have to be

2645
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:17,360
looked at i mean that and the longer

2646
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:19,280
you're in this field

2647
01:53:21,830 --> 01:53:20,800
the weirder it gets

2648
01:53:23,830 --> 01:53:21,840
you know

2649
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:23,840
yeah yeah it uh

2650
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:26,960
it's it's bottomless in the weird yes

2651
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:29,679
um and and james so i wanted to ask you

2652
01:53:33,430 --> 01:53:31,040
this

2653
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:33,440
um with everything that is going on

2654
01:53:38,709 --> 01:53:36,800
today and i want to talk to you also

2655
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:38,719
personally about uh

2656
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:43,199
uh your ufo experiences but and e.t

2657
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:46,080
but today it's all out there now you've

2658
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:49,119
got the department of truth in in in the

2659
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,040
department of defense

2660
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:53,679
and them controlling the narrative and

2661
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:55,119
uh the

2662
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:01,199
and and the senate intelligence

2663
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:03,199
committee it's it's like it's exactly

2664
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:05,679
what you write about in the department

2665
01:54:10,390 --> 01:54:08,000
of truth but it's happening in real time

2666
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:10,400
with the subject of et's and ufos how

2667
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:12,960
closely do you follow what is going on

2668
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:16,719
in the media and washington dc

2669
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:20,000
all i follow i do follow it because i

2670
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,239
mean it's too fascinating not to follow

2671
01:54:25,830 --> 01:54:24,800
it uh but it is one of those things

2672
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,840
where

2673
01:54:30,390 --> 01:54:27,920
i think in

2674
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:31,270
you know

2675
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:33,280
especially after working on the

2676
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:35,119
department of truth for a while and also

2677
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:36,800
just being

2678
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:38,400
you know uh

2679
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:40,159
like

2680
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:42,080
it's one of those things where

2681
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:44,320
when when everyone's like being upfront

2682
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:46,800
about information there's a little there

2683
01:54:50,870 --> 01:54:48,840
there's a you know it triggers a little

2684
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:50,880
skepticism and so it's one of those

2685
01:54:54,310 --> 01:54:53,199
things where it's like one thing i like

2686
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:54,320
about

2687
01:54:59,910 --> 01:54:58,000
uh the the cases from a few decades back

2688
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,920
is that i don't feel like they're

2689
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:01,760
colored by the

2690
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,560
you know the politics of the day and all

2691
01:55:09,589 --> 01:55:06,719
of that it feels like there's

2692
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,599
you know uh like it feels like there's

2693
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:12,239
something essential that that uh that's

2694
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:14,239
being tapped into that especially when

2695
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:16,239
you look at how like the air force was

2696
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:18,320
interacting with it it's like it feels

2697
01:55:22,070 --> 01:55:20,080
clear that the air force like just

2698
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,080
didn't understand and it feels like they

2699
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:24,320
still don't really like understand but

2700
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,239
it's one of those things where it's like

2701
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:28,400
uh like it made them nervous because

2702
01:55:34,229 --> 01:55:31,599
it's like obviously they don't want uh

2703
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:34,239
like the one thing that fascinates me is

2704
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,639
the idea that uh you know

2705
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,400
like they were

2706
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:40,800
uh that the government was really

2707
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:42,639
uh

2708
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:43,599
you know

2709
01:55:47,830 --> 01:55:46,880
they were nervous about ufo sightings

2710
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,840
sort of

2711
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:49,040
spreading around the country for a

2712
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:50,880
number of reasons but one of them was

2713
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,159
the idea that then if everyone would

2714
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:56,400
just spot a strange thing in the sky and

2715
01:56:01,430 --> 01:55:58,159
just be like oh isn't that fun we just

2716
01:56:02,390 --> 01:56:01,440
saw a ufo then if all of a sudden the

2717
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:02,400
you know

2718
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,639
the the russians started coming people

2719
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:06,960
wouldn't actually like say hey the

2720
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:08,800
russians are coming they would be like

2721
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:11,440
oh it's an we just had an encounter and

2722
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:12,719
it was something

2723
01:56:16,229 --> 01:56:14,400
uh so it's one of those things where

2724
01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:16,239
it's like i like to try to

2725
01:56:22,470 --> 01:56:19,119
piece together the context and it's hard

2726
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:22,480
to follow the context in

2727
01:56:26,629 --> 01:56:24,880
the present uh like

2728
01:56:28,709 --> 01:56:26,639
you can sort of see the content so it's

2729
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:28,719
like i'm taking all of the new

2730
01:56:33,430 --> 01:56:31,599
information in and it's all fascinating

2731
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:33,440
and all of that and i'm very interested

2732
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,199
to see what i think about it like 10

2733
01:56:41,510 --> 01:56:37,760
years from now

2734
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:41,520
well you know it's one thing to

2735
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:44,639
be a writer and write about gotham city

2736
01:56:50,390 --> 01:56:47,840
or ufos and an alien invasion and mars

2737
01:56:52,870 --> 01:56:50,400
attacks and then to turn around and see

2738
01:56:54,149 --> 01:56:52,880
tucker carlson on fox news

2739
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:54,159
talking about it

2740
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:57,199
it's like it's the comic book

2741
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:00,719
writing itself suddenly that this is now

2742
01:57:06,310 --> 01:57:03,280
uh where before this would never have

2743
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:06,320
happened it is a hollywood film but now

2744
01:57:11,750 --> 01:57:08,320
it's come to life do you find yourself

2745
01:57:14,790 --> 01:57:11,760
looking at this uh that way

2746
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:14,800
yeah no i i i absolutely do and i think

2747
01:57:18,629 --> 01:57:16,320
that it's the

2748
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:18,639
i mean i think that you know

2749
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:21,599
life in general just feels so

2750
01:57:26,790 --> 01:57:25,760
absurd on like uh right like i don't

2751
01:57:27,589 --> 01:57:26,800
know it's

2752
01:57:30,790 --> 01:57:27,599
uh

2753
01:57:31,830 --> 01:57:30,800
none of it makes any sense and so i am

2754
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:31,840
uh

2755
01:57:36,790 --> 01:57:33,840
you know i'm taking it all as it comes

2756
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:36,800
but it is something where i am

2757
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:39,199
i'm you know i'm like i'm very grateful

2758
01:57:42,629 --> 01:57:40,400
that i have

2759
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:42,639
i have the ability to like you know tell

2760
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:45,520
my my weird horror stories and

2761
01:57:48,629 --> 01:57:47,360
that you know for the moment like

2762
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:48,639
because i mean this is the thing it's

2763
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:49,840
like it w

2764
01:57:54,310 --> 01:57:52,560
it feels like there's a cultural moment

2765
01:57:55,669 --> 01:57:54,320
that's happening again

2766
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:55,679
uh where

2767
01:58:01,030 --> 01:57:59,360
people are open to stories uh

2768
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:01,040
stories like the department of truth and

2769
01:58:05,350 --> 01:58:02,400
like blue book and all of that and

2770
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:05,360
because those are just so core

2771
01:58:09,910 --> 01:58:08,000
like so core to what fascinates me i am

2772
01:58:12,229 --> 01:58:09,920
very grateful for that because it allows

2773
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:12,239
me to tell the stories i'm interested in

2774
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:14,400
telling and know there's an audience for

2775
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:17,280
them but you know like ultimately it all

2776
01:58:21,669 --> 01:58:19,679
comes in cycles like i'm also very

2777
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:21,679
grateful for the fact that we're in a a

2778
01:58:26,870 --> 01:58:24,800
very uh a big moment where there's a big

2779
01:58:29,589 --> 01:58:26,880
audience for horror stories but when i

2780
01:58:31,830 --> 01:58:29,599
started in comics like 10 years ago

2781
01:58:34,229 --> 01:58:31,840
horror comics had basically you know

2782
01:58:35,589 --> 01:58:34,239
there was there's the walking dead uh

2783
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:35,599
but it and then there were like there

2784
01:58:40,470 --> 01:58:37,520
were always one or two but it was just

2785
01:58:42,950 --> 01:58:40,480
like it had sort of fallen away and now

2786
01:58:44,629 --> 01:58:42,960
the biggest comics uh you know the

2787
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:44,639
biggest comics once again are horror

2788
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:46,639
comics and thankfully i write a few of

2789
01:58:49,750 --> 01:58:47,920
them now

2790
01:58:52,149 --> 01:58:49,760
michael you've been

2791
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:52,159
you've been listening to late night

2792
01:58:58,229 --> 01:58:56,560
conspiracy talk radio uh forever

2793
01:58:59,910 --> 01:58:58,239
but did you ever

2794
01:59:01,750 --> 01:58:59,920
imagine

2795
01:59:03,510 --> 01:59:01,760
that everything that you have been

2796
01:59:05,030 --> 01:59:03,520
listening to over the years not only

2797
01:59:05,990 --> 01:59:05,040
coast to coast but fade to black and

2798
01:59:07,910 --> 01:59:06,000
others

2799
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:07,920
that this would become

2800
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:10,320
reality did you ever see it right

2801
01:59:13,350 --> 01:59:12,320
because it was our safe little world

2802
01:59:17,109 --> 01:59:13,360
right

2803
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:17,119
and and now yeah it's it's happening

2804
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:19,599
it's weird i you know i never thought

2805
01:59:23,589 --> 01:59:21,520
and i guess i thought in a very bipolar

2806
01:59:25,189 --> 01:59:23,599
way either like it wasn't gonna happen

2807
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:25,199
or aliens were literally gonna land on

2808
01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:26,639
the white house lawn

2809
01:59:31,189 --> 01:59:28,960
and instead it's it's it's it kind of

2810
01:59:32,709 --> 01:59:31,199
just rolls off of our psyche and our

2811
01:59:34,790 --> 01:59:32,719
social

2812
01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:34,800
life now like it's so strange like when

2813
01:59:37,510 --> 01:59:36,159
those videos came out and the first time

2814
01:59:39,990 --> 01:59:37,520
we really had like the department of

2815
01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:40,000
truth or the navy or whoever saying yeah

2816
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:41,520
this was we've recorded this we don't

2817
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:43,280
know exactly what it is

2818
01:59:47,669 --> 01:59:45,119
probably basically everybody reported it

2819
01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:47,679
as aliens and and the world collectively

2820
01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:48,800
shrugged

2821
01:59:52,550 --> 01:59:50,719
that was not an outcome that i saw you

2822
01:59:54,310 --> 01:59:52,560
know it's not that they they struggle

2823
01:59:55,990 --> 01:59:54,320
like they don't care but they're like oh

2824
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:56,000
yeah well that's weird and then they

2825
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:58,080
moved on like that was not in my my

2826
02:00:01,510 --> 01:59:59,920
bingo card of what will happen with this

2827
02:00:04,229 --> 02:00:01,520
closure

2828
02:00:06,310 --> 02:00:04,239
is miles curiosity was not one of them

2829
02:00:08,550 --> 02:00:06,320
now

2830
02:00:12,229 --> 02:00:08,560
i've got 15 seconds to the break

2831
02:00:13,510 --> 02:00:12,239
uh james do you know the historical

2832
02:00:15,109 --> 02:00:13,520
record

2833
02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:15,119
about uh

2834
02:00:21,589 --> 02:00:18,800
your buddy over here michael loaming and

2835
02:00:22,709 --> 02:00:21,599
and and and brian glass do you know that

2836
02:00:25,189 --> 02:00:22,719
story

2837
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:25,199
i don't think i do and i very much would

2838
02:00:30,390 --> 02:00:28,560
like and and this all involves art bell

2839
02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:30,400
and the most famous

2840
02:00:34,390 --> 02:00:33,599
knight of ufo talk radio

2841
02:00:36,149 --> 02:00:34,400
do you

2842
02:00:37,350 --> 02:00:36,159
know any of this

2843
02:00:41,189 --> 02:00:37,360
i i

2844
02:00:42,950 --> 02:00:41,199
hear it all right michael can we tell

2845
02:00:43,990 --> 02:00:42,960
the story when we come back off of the

2846
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:44,000
break

2847
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:46,000
yeah absolutely but you tell it

2848
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:51,830
i need you to back me up this is the

2849
02:00:56,870 --> 02:00:54,719
thing um uh i i need to take a break

2850
02:01:00,310 --> 02:00:56,880
right here our audience

2851
02:01:02,709 --> 02:01:00,320
um has all everybody has listened to the

2852
02:01:06,149 --> 02:01:02,719
area 51 caller

2853
02:01:08,870 --> 02:01:06,159
but the story behind it and it's tie

2854
02:01:11,430 --> 02:01:08,880
into fade to black and michael lohming

2855
02:01:14,109 --> 02:01:11,440
and brian jl glass it's it is an

2856
02:01:16,229 --> 02:01:14,119
absolutely

2857
02:01:18,229 --> 02:01:16,239
unbelievable you know what you can't

2858
02:01:20,149 --> 02:01:18,239
write that in hollywood you cannot write

2859
02:01:21,589 --> 02:01:20,159
it how it all went down

2860
02:01:24,390 --> 02:01:21,599
right i can't believe i didn't i haven't

2861
02:01:25,430 --> 02:01:24,400
told james about this i i i am blown

2862
02:01:28,149 --> 02:01:25,440
away

2863
02:01:29,430 --> 02:01:28,159
now you know jl right

2864
02:01:30,310 --> 02:01:29,440
james

2865
02:01:31,510 --> 02:01:30,320
yes

2866
02:01:33,189 --> 02:01:31,520
right

2867
02:01:35,350 --> 02:01:33,199
yeah and you have no idea what i'm

2868
02:01:37,910 --> 02:01:35,360
talking about right now

2869
02:01:40,070 --> 02:01:37,920
well i feel like this is i want to hear

2870
02:01:42,709 --> 02:01:40,080
the story when we come back after this

2871
02:01:45,669 --> 02:01:42,719
break um this is going to be the best 30

2872
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:45,679
minutes of of talk radio in james's life

2873
02:01:52,390 --> 02:01:48,080
he has no idea

2874
02:01:54,149 --> 02:01:52,400
be great awesome this is fade to black

2875
02:01:56,390 --> 02:01:54,159
i'm yours jimmy church

2876
02:01:59,350 --> 02:01:56,400
more with james and michael

2877
02:02:00,840 --> 02:01:59,360
and brian jail glass when we come back

2878
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:00,850
we got to get brian on the

2879
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:03,040
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02:06:28,790 --> 02:06:24,239
on the game changer radio network and

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[Music]

2972
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:44,159
all right welcome back fade to block i'm

2973
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:46,000
your host jimmy church

2974
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:48,960
i didn't expect uh tonight uh to take

2975
02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:51,040
the turn

2976
02:06:54,629 --> 02:06:52,560
that it's about to

2977
02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:54,639
but uh we're gonna do this i'm here with

2978
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:56,000
jimmy church

2979
02:06:59,510 --> 02:06:58,560
and our our guest tonight michael

2980
02:07:01,910 --> 02:06:59,520
lohming

2981
02:07:05,830 --> 02:07:01,920
and uh james tinian the fourth michael

2982
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:05,840
avon omg but uh i brought up uh this is

2983
02:07:10,310 --> 02:07:08,880
the thing james uh first off it's a

2984
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:10,320
small world

2985
02:07:18,709 --> 02:07:16,159
want to paint it but it it's very small

2986
02:07:21,270 --> 02:07:18,719
and uh

2987
02:07:25,350 --> 02:07:21,280
many many years ago

2988
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:25,360
uh uh michael and i are talking one day

2989
02:07:31,830 --> 02:07:26,560
and

2990
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:31,840
51 caller now

2991
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:35,040
let's back up for a second and for our

2992
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:36,719
audience and i just posted in the chat

2993
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:38,320
room for those of you that don't know

2994
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:39,040
the

2995
02:07:47,189 --> 02:07:43,360
on coast to coast am you're about to get

2996
02:07:50,550 --> 02:07:47,199
a a dose of reality uh right now

2997
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:50,560
um now the historical part of this james

2998
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:54,880
um art bell on the air live uh takes a

2999
02:08:00,390 --> 02:07:56,000
call

3000
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:00,400
and it's from uh an employee of area 51

3001
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:03,119
that has escaped

3002
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:04,000
and

3003
02:08:08,629 --> 02:08:05,920
that ufos are real

3004
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:08,639
and and he's on the run and and they're

3005
02:08:13,030 --> 02:08:09,840
chasing him

3006
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:13,040
and and art is like what what oh and at

3007
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:15,119
that moment there's a little more to it

3008
02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:17,280
but i've got to condense this at that

3009
02:08:21,189 --> 02:08:18,639
moment

3010
02:08:24,229 --> 02:08:21,199
coast to coast goes off the air

3011
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:24,239
and it gets replaced the satellites

3012
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:25,920
actually go down

3013
02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:28,960
and the show was replaced by

3014
02:08:32,709 --> 02:08:30,239
like

3015
02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:32,719
the o.j simpson trial right is that

3016
02:08:35,990 --> 02:08:34,560
right is that right i think it was just

3017
02:08:37,910 --> 02:08:36,000
i think it was just silence for like 10

3018
02:08:39,750 --> 02:08:37,920
minutes or something crazy right right

3019
02:08:42,069 --> 02:08:39,760
right right and uh

3020
02:08:43,350 --> 02:08:42,079
uh so anyway they come back on the air

3021
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:43,360
and art

3022
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:45,440
is freaking out i can't believe that the

3023
02:08:48,629 --> 02:08:47,440
area this guy just called in from area

3024
02:08:50,950 --> 02:08:48,639
51

3025
02:08:52,870 --> 02:08:50,960
uh the show went down what did you hear

3026
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:52,880
and art starts taking phone calls and

3027
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:54,880
everybody's losing their mind

3028
02:09:00,229 --> 02:08:58,000
um this show is probably

3029
02:09:02,470 --> 02:09:00,239
this moment one of the great moments in

3030
02:09:04,229 --> 02:09:02,480
all of talk radio

3031
02:09:06,470 --> 02:09:04,239
because you can't deny what just

3032
02:09:07,430 --> 02:09:06,480
happened right this this actually went

3033
02:09:10,229 --> 02:09:07,440
down and

3034
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:10,239
and premier radio networks went off the

3035
02:09:12,950 --> 02:09:11,440
air

3036
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:12,960
at the moment

3037
02:09:17,830 --> 02:09:15,119
this guy calls in and says he's escaped

3038
02:09:18,870 --> 02:09:17,840
uh from area 51.

3039
02:09:22,229 --> 02:09:18,880
um

3040
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:22,239
i have listened to that broadcast uh

3041
02:09:27,910 --> 02:09:25,280
hundreds of times over and over again

3042
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:27,920
what if this is real what you know and

3043
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:31,599
and the sound of the area call area 51

3044
02:09:35,430 --> 02:09:34,239
caller's voice is in my head i know this

3045
02:09:36,709 --> 02:09:35,440
guy

3046
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:36,719
so

3047
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:38,880
michael and i are talking on the phone

3048
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:40,880
one day and he goes dude

3049
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:43,760
i know the area 51 caller i said

3050
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:44,880
say what

3051
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:48,159
and he goes i do he's a friend of mine

3052
02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:51,520
and uh i said brian jail glass what

3053
02:09:54,069 --> 02:09:52,480
right

3054
02:09:57,030 --> 02:09:54,079
wait wait wait wait

3055
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:57,040
pump the brakes and he goes yeah

3056
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:58,800
and he goes this is what happened he

3057
02:10:02,629 --> 02:10:00,960
said you know we were working we're

3058
02:10:05,270 --> 02:10:02,639
staying up late

3059
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:05,280
uh i'm drawing he's writing we're coming

3060
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:07,920
up with scripts and time travel in area

3061
02:10:13,270 --> 02:10:10,639
51 and we're listening to art bell and

3062
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:13,280
and we write out

3063
02:10:19,430 --> 02:10:16,239
and brian decides he's going to call in

3064
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:19,440
and and go on the script of what we're

3065
02:10:23,109 --> 02:10:21,280
working on and

3066
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:23,119
and read it and and then at the end of

3067
02:10:26,470 --> 02:10:24,480
that he would say

3068
02:10:29,030 --> 02:10:26,480
this is all a joke but

3069
02:10:31,109 --> 02:10:29,040
so he calls in and he goes on he's got

3070
02:10:33,510 --> 02:10:31,119
his thing and

3071
02:10:35,669 --> 02:10:33,520
but what he didn't expect

3072
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:35,679
was that coast to coast would go off the

3073
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:36,639
air

3074
02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:38,880
at a very critical moment and all of

3075
02:10:42,950 --> 02:10:40,400
this happens

3076
02:10:43,910 --> 02:10:42,960
right okay so

3077
02:10:48,470 --> 02:10:43,920
uh

3078
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:48,480
ahead of the story but

3079
02:10:53,430 --> 02:10:50,960
brian is telling you know

3080
02:10:55,109 --> 02:10:53,440
michael and they're talking what what

3081
02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:55,119
this is nuts well

3082
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:58,400
the radio world the conspiracy world is

3083
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:00,239
freaking out

3084
02:11:06,069 --> 02:11:03,840
and and what happened uh over the days

3085
02:11:09,430 --> 02:11:06,079
weeks and months ahead

3086
02:11:11,830 --> 02:11:09,440
this thing turns into

3087
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:11,840
something that is out of control

3088
02:11:16,790 --> 02:11:14,560
and and that those are the facts now

3089
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:16,800
this show has been listened to

3090
02:11:22,709 --> 02:11:19,040
millions of times

3091
02:11:25,109 --> 02:11:22,719
and and the mythology the folklore the

3092
02:11:28,229 --> 02:11:25,119
the pop cult the historical perspective

3093
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:28,239
of this has not changed

3094
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:31,760
who was the area 51 caller well so

3095
02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:34,159
michael tells me i'm like you know

3096
02:11:37,589 --> 02:11:36,480
i use some colorful language but i call

3097
02:11:40,069 --> 02:11:37,599
bs

3098
02:11:43,109 --> 02:11:40,079
and and michael goes dude here's his

3099
02:11:45,510 --> 02:11:43,119
phone number right and this is awesome

3100
02:11:48,790 --> 02:11:45,520
mike back me up this is exactly how it

3101
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:48,800
went down yeah so he gives me uh glasses

3102
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:50,000
phone number

3103
02:11:53,430 --> 02:11:51,360
and i go okay i'm gonna call you right

3104
02:11:55,589 --> 02:11:53,440
back and i call him up and he answers

3105
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:55,599
the phone i said uh

3106
02:11:59,189 --> 02:11:57,040
this is jimmy church hey man what's

3107
02:12:01,030 --> 02:11:59,199
going on i'm like holy crap it is you

3108
02:12:04,950 --> 02:12:01,040
right i mean

3109
02:12:09,189 --> 02:12:04,960
and uh he goes it is and i go oh my god

3110
02:12:11,990 --> 02:12:09,199
so um we started talking

3111
02:12:14,470 --> 02:12:12,000
and uh i said look

3112
02:12:15,430 --> 02:12:14,480
we've got to do this on the show

3113
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:15,440
and

3114
02:12:20,069 --> 02:12:17,360
it goes yeah we should

3115
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:20,079
and i said okay so we set up this whole

3116
02:12:24,950 --> 02:12:21,199
thing

3117
02:12:26,550 --> 02:12:24,960
and i said uh now look i'm just gonna go

3118
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:26,560
to open lines

3119
02:12:29,430 --> 02:12:27,920
uh you know i've got his phone number

3120
02:12:31,589 --> 02:12:29,440
i'm just gonna go to open lines i'm

3121
02:12:34,229 --> 02:12:31,599
gonna take a couple calls and then boom

3122
02:12:35,750 --> 02:12:34,239
i'm gonna pick you up and you are going

3123
02:12:38,870 --> 02:12:35,760
to go

3124
02:12:40,310 --> 02:12:38,880
full area 51 caller i don't know what

3125
02:12:42,069 --> 02:12:40,320
you're gonna say

3126
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:42,079
it doesn't matter

3127
02:12:46,069 --> 02:12:43,360
but then

3128
02:12:47,189 --> 02:12:46,079
we're gonna go off the air

3129
02:12:49,830 --> 02:12:47,199
okay

3130
02:12:51,669 --> 02:12:49,840
and and we're going to recreate this and

3131
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:51,679
then after that i'm going to bring you

3132
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:54,239
back on and you're going to go hahaha

3133
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:56,880
it's me i'm the real area 51 caller and

3134
02:13:01,109 --> 02:12:58,480
then we're going to tell the story about

3135
02:13:06,550 --> 02:13:01,119
how this happened and and we're going to

3136
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:09,350
we do this oh we do this

3137
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:11,360
and uh so it's like hi you're live on

3138
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:13,199
paid to black who's calling hey man it's

3139
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:14,639
me they're

3140
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:17,360
they're still chasing me

3141
02:13:23,189 --> 02:13:21,280
ufos are real and and and and

3142
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:23,199
i'm like oh my god it's the area 51

3143
02:13:29,830 --> 02:13:26,320
caller yes yeah and the ufos are real if

3144
02:13:35,109 --> 02:13:33,030
i go off the air and i immediately go to

3145
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:35,119
what did i do

3146
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:38,560
um uh money python

3147
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:45,510
i and i run that for a couple of minutes

3148
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:47,040
and i come back and i go man that was

3149
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:49,920
the strangest thing that was the area 51

3150
02:13:54,950 --> 02:13:52,239
caller did everybody hear that my phone

3151
02:13:59,830 --> 02:13:57,109
and i took one call after another oh my

3152
02:14:02,310 --> 02:13:59,840
god i can't believe it he's back oh my

3153
02:14:04,149 --> 02:14:02,320
god he's back and i did one call after

3154
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:04,159
another for about five minutes and then

3155
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:05,840
i said okay

3156
02:14:09,750 --> 02:14:07,920
everybody i want to introduce you to

3157
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:09,760
pride jail class

3158
02:14:13,990 --> 02:14:12,800
the real area 51 caller and i bring him

3159
02:14:16,470 --> 02:14:14,000
on the air

3160
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:16,480
and we tell the whole story did we bring

3161
02:14:20,629 --> 02:14:18,800
you on to michael or was it a little bit

3162
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:20,639
but you know this was mostly brian's

3163
02:14:23,830 --> 02:14:21,679
story that i

3164
02:14:25,510 --> 02:14:23,840
as as a friend i witnessed so i was able

3165
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:25,520
to tell you but i wasn't listening that

3166
02:14:28,629 --> 02:14:26,960
night or anything you know i just

3167
02:14:30,069 --> 02:14:28,639
obviously i knew everything because no i

3168
02:14:31,270 --> 02:14:30,079
mean every time you talk about what

3169
02:14:33,430 --> 02:14:31,280
happened that night on our bell and

3170
02:14:36,069 --> 02:14:33,440
stuff right right right and so and this

3171
02:14:38,310 --> 02:14:36,079
is the thing james

3172
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:38,320
nobody i bring on bro it's his voice

3173
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:40,480
it's obviously him nobody wanted to

3174
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:41,520
believe it

3175
02:14:49,990 --> 02:14:45,360
no

3176
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:50,000
and this is the crazy thing about all of

3177
02:14:52,709 --> 02:14:51,760
this is that

3178
02:14:55,030 --> 02:14:52,719
um

3179
02:14:57,350 --> 02:14:55,040
michael's career takes off they they did

3180
02:14:59,030 --> 02:14:57,360
this when how old were you

3181
02:15:00,870 --> 02:14:59,040
it's like 20 something years ago because

3182
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:00,880
my son i'm not even sure if he was born

3183
02:15:05,669 --> 02:15:03,040
yet he's 25 so

3184
02:15:07,750 --> 02:15:05,679
right yeah like 20 25 years ago

3185
02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:07,760
literally working in their parents

3186
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:10,800
basement by the way like the real story

3187
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:12,719
right okay so

3188
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:15,360
um but michael's career takes off

3189
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,440
brian's career takes off right we all

3190
02:15:21,430 --> 02:15:18,960
know what happened

3191
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:21,440
brian over all these years and including

3192
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:22,480
michael

3193
02:15:30,229 --> 02:15:24,719
um they never talked about it

3194
02:15:31,830 --> 02:15:30,239
and this isn't part of brian's cv right

3195
02:15:33,910 --> 02:15:31,840
i don't think

3196
02:15:36,390 --> 02:15:33,920
it should be because it's it's spun off

3197
02:15:38,550 --> 02:15:36,400
a couple of television shows they

3198
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:38,560
sampled it on a tool album yep which i

3199
02:15:41,589 --> 02:15:39,760
didn't know about until i'm listening to

3200
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:41,599
it i'm like that's brian you know they

3201
02:15:44,390 --> 02:15:43,599
just distorted it into like some crazy

3202
02:15:47,109 --> 02:15:44,400
song

3203
02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:47,119
um yeah the amount of videos and stuff

3204
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:48,880
and it's become an urban legend in

3205
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:51,199
itself it's a total he's told the story

3206
02:15:54,790 --> 02:15:53,040
on your show people don't believe him

3207
02:15:56,069 --> 02:15:54,800
it's like the department of truth it's

3208
02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:56,079
just yeah

3209
02:16:01,910 --> 02:15:58,560
this is like right up my alley like how

3210
02:16:04,390 --> 02:16:01,920
the how a story just like becomes

3211
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:04,400
once you put it out there it is it is

3212
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:06,560
its own living organism

3213
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:08,159
that there is no

3214
02:16:12,229 --> 02:16:10,159
uh yeah

3215
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:12,239
literally no wrestling the control back

3216
02:16:18,550 --> 02:16:16,159
i literally got without exaggerating i

3217
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:18,560
got a thousand emails

3218
02:16:23,589 --> 02:16:21,440
how could you how could you do this how

3219
02:16:26,229 --> 02:16:23,599
could you lie about this this is a hoax

3220
02:16:29,830 --> 02:16:26,239
you're hoaxing you're calling this the

3221
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:29,840
this reality a hoax and and this is you

3222
02:16:33,509 --> 02:16:32,240
know and it was just one email after

3223
02:16:37,750 --> 02:16:33,519
another and

3224
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:37,760
and uh brian and i absolutely did our

3225
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:40,960
very best to just present

3226
02:16:45,910 --> 02:16:43,359
how it went down and this and you can

3227
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:45,920
hear his voice you can tell it's him

3228
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,719
nobody wanted to believe it nobody

3229
02:16:52,309 --> 02:16:50,719
and and i just i also want to just

3230
02:16:55,349 --> 02:16:52,319
emphasize for people listening like

3231
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:55,359
brian his intention the entire time

3232
02:16:59,589 --> 02:16:58,080
was to tell art and the audience

3233
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:59,599
exactly what he was doing because it was

3234
02:17:02,709 --> 02:17:00,960
one of these open line nights was like

3235
02:17:04,389 --> 02:17:02,719
if you're a vampire call in if you're a

3236
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:04,399
time traveler like people are clearly

3237
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:05,599
having fun

3238
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:07,679
in a mixture of people who are probably

3239
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:10,000
serious but he was never meaning to be

3240
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:13,120
guiltful or to trick anybody it was way

3241
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:15,599
out of his control when the satellite

3242
02:17:19,669 --> 02:17:17,200
loses

3243
02:17:21,669 --> 02:17:19,679
connection with the thing i mean that's

3244
02:17:23,270 --> 02:17:21,679
that's the weird part weirder than the

3245
02:17:24,469 --> 02:17:23,280
fact that nobody wanted to believe it

3246
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:24,479
afterwards

3247
02:17:27,910 --> 02:17:26,240
how does the satellite lose connection

3248
02:17:29,589 --> 02:17:27,920
like that it's not a normal thing and it

3249
02:17:32,309 --> 02:17:29,599
went on for like 10 or 15 minutes so

3250
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:32,319
like no no no radio person in the right

3251
02:17:35,830 --> 02:17:33,760
mind is gonna have dead air for that

3252
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:35,840
long we still don't know what happened

3253
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:37,599
um there's some videos that brian's done

3254
02:17:40,629 --> 02:17:39,359
some interview longer interviews and

3255
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:40,639
explaining everything there's like an

3256
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:42,559
animation video of it and people still

3257
02:17:46,629 --> 02:17:44,399
just won't believe

3258
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:46,639
you know it it's so funny brian goes man

3259
02:17:50,309 --> 02:17:48,399
i started telling people you know they

3260
02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:50,319
they were coming in i was like man go

3261
02:17:55,110 --> 02:17:52,399
check out fade to black it's right there

3262
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:55,120
tell the story and he did everything he

3263
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:56,399
could to

3264
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:58,000
you know just set the record straight

3265
02:18:02,230 --> 02:17:59,840
and let everybody know this is actually

3266
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:02,240
what happened and nobody

3267
02:18:06,709 --> 02:18:04,080
wanted anything to do with it it was

3268
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:06,719
more like a how dare you

3269
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:09,040
how dare you put claim

3270
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:12,880
on the area 51 caller and brian couldn't

3271
02:18:17,669 --> 02:18:15,280
win man he didn't win that night when

3272
02:18:20,549 --> 02:18:17,679
the satellites went down and then when

3273
02:18:23,270 --> 02:18:20,559
he finally after all of these years and

3274
02:18:25,349 --> 02:18:23,280
he's tried to do it a couple of times

3275
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:25,359
over the years but certainly on fade to

3276
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:28,080
black he laid it all out james laid it

3277
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:30,639
all out and you cannot

3278
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:33,120
it was uh like the mandela effect come

3279
02:18:38,309 --> 02:18:34,800
full circle you're not going to be able

3280
02:18:39,830 --> 02:18:38,319
to rewrite this history pal it uh it

3281
02:18:42,549 --> 02:18:39,840
really happened

3282
02:18:46,950 --> 02:18:42,559
i love all of this and i am going to go

3283
02:18:50,070 --> 02:18:46,960
on such a youtube rabbit hole uh

3284
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:50,080
after all this that's this is like this

3285
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:52,960
is amazing i i love it now absolutely

3286
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,439
how well how well do you know brian do

3287
02:18:59,429 --> 02:18:57,760
you writers hang out in a secret place

3288
02:19:02,150 --> 02:18:59,439
and and

3289
02:19:04,469 --> 02:19:02,160
i think it's like because i'm you know

3290
02:19:06,469 --> 02:19:04,479
i'm still a bit of a kid in the industry

3291
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:06,479
so it's like i i have not

3292
02:19:12,150 --> 02:19:08,960
i think we've we may have been met in

3293
02:19:14,309 --> 02:19:12,160
passing before but uh you know i

3294
02:19:16,629 --> 02:19:14,319
like you know even going to conventions

3295
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:16,639
like michael you and i like only started

3296
02:19:20,870 --> 02:19:19,040
like we only met like a week ago uh we

3297
02:19:23,110 --> 02:19:20,880
were we were chatting online for the

3298
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:23,120
last year but it's uh

3299
02:19:29,270 --> 02:19:25,920
you know but so yeah it's it's both of

3300
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:29,280
small community and like you know

3301
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:31,599
it's like there there are some people

3302
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:33,760
you see like every single like once

3303
02:19:38,870 --> 02:19:36,880
every two months for a decade and then

3304
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:38,880
there are a bunch of people you like

3305
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:40,479
they're just like different like if

3306
02:19:43,669 --> 02:19:42,800
you're out of orbit with each other like

3307
02:19:47,509 --> 02:19:43,679
you

3308
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:47,519
different conventions and stuff

3309
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:49,760
differently and i'm on like i've been

3310
02:19:54,230 --> 02:19:52,160
out on the east coast so it's uh you're

3311
02:19:57,830 --> 02:19:54,240
gonna go up to brian and you're gonna go

3312
02:19:59,830 --> 02:19:57,840
dude area 51 caller really i was just on

3313
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:59,840
fade to black and i have to hear about

3314
02:20:03,670 --> 02:20:02,479
this like that you right and just watch

3315
02:20:07,670 --> 02:20:03,680
his face

3316
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,680
another uh

3317
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:09,600
this is another edition of blue book

3318
02:20:13,750 --> 02:20:11,120
actually

3319
02:20:15,510 --> 02:20:13,760
yeah no i was like listening to that i

3320
02:20:17,110 --> 02:20:15,520
was like

3321
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:17,120
you know that that would make a damn

3322
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:18,880
good comic yeah

3323
02:20:21,750 --> 02:20:20,720
this is the thing

3324
02:20:24,230 --> 02:20:21,760
you could

3325
02:20:26,870 --> 02:20:24,240
you can't make this stuff up

3326
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:26,880
yeah right and the way that it went down

3327
02:20:30,790 --> 02:20:29,520
not only with how michael and i got

3328
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:30,800
introduced

3329
02:20:35,830 --> 02:20:33,520
um which by the way he wrote me

3330
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,840
an email

3331
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,240
dude this is michael homing and i listen

3332
02:20:43,270 --> 02:20:40,800
to your show and and and draw every

3333
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:43,280
night that was his email

3334
02:20:48,630 --> 02:20:46,000
i wrote him back and i go

3335
02:20:54,950 --> 02:20:52,389
i did i wrote it back i said prove it

3336
02:20:56,469 --> 02:20:54,960
draw me something now and he writes me

3337
02:20:58,870 --> 02:20:56,479
back coming at you man give me 30

3338
02:21:01,590 --> 02:20:58,880
minutes

3339
02:21:02,870 --> 02:21:01,600
that's that's and it was just like this

3340
02:21:05,750 --> 02:21:02,880
this uh

3341
02:21:07,270 --> 02:21:05,760
this weird synchronicities of everything

3342
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:07,280
falling into place

3343
02:21:11,830 --> 02:21:10,080
and and shortly after that uh the jail

3344
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:11,840
glass thing

3345
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:15,280
and the area 51 collar in

3346
02:21:22,230 --> 02:21:18,640
in the ufo world is one of the

3347
02:21:24,389 --> 02:21:22,240
pinnacles it's the apogee it's the top

3348
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:24,399
of of all of this

3349
02:21:28,950 --> 02:21:27,840
and it's freaking glass and and ohming

3350
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:28,960
and and

3351
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:31,359
it it it was just surreal all of it all

3352
02:21:36,150 --> 02:21:34,399
of it you just can't make this stuff up

3353
02:21:37,670 --> 02:21:36,160
it's a great lesson too you know as far

3354
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:37,680
as like

3355
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:39,280
we you know he's come out and told

3356
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:40,479
people the truth

3357
02:21:43,429 --> 02:21:42,000
but a lot of people just still don't

3358
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:43,439
want to believe it and we see this

3359
02:21:48,230 --> 02:21:45,359
happen all the time in the ufo community

3360
02:21:49,750 --> 02:21:48,240
where somebody's been caught in some bs

3361
02:21:51,750 --> 02:21:49,760
and somehow they're still telling the

3362
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:51,760
same story afterwards and like we people

3363
02:21:55,910 --> 02:21:53,840
want to believe so badly sometimes it

3364
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:55,920
clouds our judgment you know you know

3365
02:21:59,670 --> 02:21:58,640
and this is this is the other thing

3366
02:22:04,389 --> 02:21:59,680
is

3367
02:22:08,230 --> 02:22:04,399
uh both of your careers uh did just fine

3368
02:22:10,469 --> 02:22:08,240
and i got so many emails uh is saying

3369
02:22:13,590 --> 02:22:10,479
the most ridiculous things brian's

3370
02:22:15,670 --> 02:22:13,600
trying to just further his career he's

3371
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:15,680
trying to market himself i'm like he

3372
02:22:21,429 --> 02:22:18,319
doesn't need to do that he hasn't

3373
02:22:24,469 --> 02:22:21,439
mentioned it all of this time

3374
02:22:25,830 --> 02:22:24,479
there's no ufo uh stuff in any of his

3375
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:25,840
writing and any of his creator-owned

3376
02:22:29,910 --> 02:22:27,760
stuff anything he's written with me or

3377
02:22:31,910 --> 02:22:29,920
or or on his own none of it has to do

3378
02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:31,920
with this stuff at all so there's that

3379
02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:33,040
you know it doesn't make any sense for

3380
02:22:36,309 --> 02:22:34,560
him to try to profit it doesn't it just

3381
02:22:37,270 --> 02:22:36,319
doesn't work and and no offense to the

3382
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:37,280
ufo

3383
02:22:41,670 --> 02:22:39,120
audience we most of them aren't reading

3384
02:22:42,550 --> 02:22:41,680
comics so there's just no real crossover

3385
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:42,560
there

3386
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:45,120
for brian to have like profited off of

3387
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:47,200
in some way and even if he did in

3388
02:22:50,469 --> 02:22:49,280
congress a prophet is like i don't know

3389
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:50,479
you make a couple hundred dollars

3390
02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:52,960
sometimes well um and let me ask you

3391
02:22:57,429 --> 02:22:54,640
about that michael and i'm gonna circle

3392
02:22:58,389 --> 02:22:57,439
back and ask james the same thing

3393
02:23:01,670 --> 02:22:58,399
um

3394
02:23:03,030 --> 02:23:01,680
late night conspiracy talk radio

3395
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:03,040
is

3396
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:05,760
theater of the mind it's the best man

3397
02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:07,520
you turn down the lights and you just

3398
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:10,960
let it roll right yeah how inspiring is

3399
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:12,479
that for you

3400
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,880
and and just go do you ever do a

3401
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,479
creative tangent

3402
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:18,399
listening to late night talk radio and

3403
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:20,800
then your your drawings going in in

3404
02:23:25,030 --> 02:23:22,960
another direction

3405
02:23:27,349 --> 02:23:25,040
a thousand percent you know it's it's so

3406
02:23:29,510 --> 02:23:27,359
influential often i'm listening to stuff

3407
02:23:31,270 --> 02:23:29,520
whether it's um your show some of the

3408
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,280
few others i'll listen to and i'll just

3409
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:33,280
i'll hear stuff and then i'll i'll just

3410
02:23:38,070 --> 02:23:35,359
email myself that

3411
02:23:39,750 --> 02:23:38,080
story or that podcast with a note in it

3412
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:39,760
about like well what was it about this

3413
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:42,960
that i heard that has spun off ideas and

3414
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:44,560
those ideas that just spin off i still

3415
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:46,640
want to like pin them to the original

3416
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:48,960
thing you know so like if it's a ufo

3417
02:23:52,389 --> 02:23:50,479
thing i want to be able to tie it into

3418
02:23:54,309 --> 02:23:52,399
something that was real for some ancient

3419
02:23:56,710 --> 02:23:54,319
architects kind of thing i want to tie

3420
02:23:57,990 --> 02:23:56,720
it into that stuff you know so i want to

3421
02:23:59,910 --> 02:23:58,000
i want to take from the community but i

3422
02:24:01,429 --> 02:23:59,920
also want to represent and get back if

3423
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:01,439
that makes any sense but it's totally

3424
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:03,600
influential even to this day it's some

3425
02:24:07,510 --> 02:24:05,680
of the stuff that gets my brain going

3426
02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:07,520
more than anything else and how do you

3427
02:24:11,510 --> 02:24:10,000
do uh how do you how do you work james

3428
02:24:13,429 --> 02:24:11,520
do you listen to

3429
02:24:17,030 --> 02:24:13,439
you know late night talk radio stuff

3430
02:24:18,950 --> 02:24:17,040
like this and and suddenly get inspired

3431
02:24:20,710 --> 02:24:18,960
i mean i think that

3432
02:24:23,990 --> 02:24:20,720
it's one of the things that i'm always

3433
02:24:24,950 --> 02:24:24,000
wildly jealous of uh

3434
02:24:27,349 --> 02:24:24,960
artists

3435
02:24:30,870 --> 02:24:27,359
the ability to like work while listening

3436
02:24:33,910 --> 02:24:30,880
to people like listening to radio or

3437
02:24:35,910 --> 02:24:33,920
podcast or anything like i i like can't

3438
02:24:37,670 --> 02:24:35,920
even do music with lyrics so it's one of

3439
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:37,680
those things like while i'm working it's

3440
02:24:41,830 --> 02:24:39,920
the i i need to

3441
02:24:44,070 --> 02:24:41,840
you know it's like it's movie

3442
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:44,080
soundtracks and and and stuff like that

3443
02:24:49,990 --> 02:24:46,560
but it is something that i

3444
02:24:53,190 --> 02:24:50,000
um like i have always had a deep

3445
02:24:57,510 --> 02:24:53,200
fondness uh but it's like

3446
02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:57,520
but uh i i wish i had the on the kind of

3447
02:25:01,270 --> 02:24:58,800
you know

3448
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:01,280
back and forth relationship with it that

3449
02:25:05,830 --> 02:25:03,840
that michael can talk to uh rather than

3450
02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:05,840
you know this is something that

3451
02:25:11,670 --> 02:25:09,520
i have i have friends who are a bit more

3452
02:25:15,030 --> 02:25:11,680
uh like

3453
02:25:16,950 --> 02:25:15,040
you know in my because

3454
02:25:20,950 --> 02:25:16,960
like i was saying it's like i was you

3455
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:20,960
know i was really into a lot of this uh

3456
02:25:26,309 --> 02:25:24,640
up and up through uh like high school

3457
02:25:28,389 --> 02:25:26,319
and and then

3458
02:25:31,750 --> 02:25:28,399
once i and then i had some friends who

3459
02:25:35,510 --> 02:25:31,760
stayed much more in invested

3460
02:25:37,429 --> 02:25:35,520
uh while i drifted off into like fiction

3461
02:25:39,990 --> 02:25:37,439
and all of that stuff and then as i've

3462
02:25:44,070 --> 02:25:40,000
come back to it over the last

3463
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:44,080
uh decade uh and and and all that it has

3464
02:25:49,429 --> 02:25:46,560
been uh it's been really enlightening

3465
02:25:51,990 --> 02:25:49,439
but it's or like and

3466
02:25:54,230 --> 02:25:52,000
and it's just it's such great fuel for

3467
02:25:55,110 --> 02:25:54,240
the imagination because it is something

3468
02:25:59,270 --> 02:25:55,120
like

3469
02:26:02,070 --> 02:25:59,280
sitting back and just taking it all in

3470
02:26:04,710 --> 02:26:02,080
it is there is some like

3471
02:26:07,030 --> 02:26:04,720
you know just

3472
02:26:08,950 --> 02:26:07,040
there's a romance to living in a strange

3473
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:08,960
world where there aren't a lot of where

3474
02:26:13,349 --> 02:26:11,520
there are a bunch of question marks all

3475
02:26:14,309 --> 02:26:13,359
over the place and i like

3476
02:26:15,990 --> 02:26:14,319
living

3477
02:26:18,710 --> 02:26:16,000
in a strange world that has a lot of

3478
02:26:20,950 --> 02:26:18,720
question marks in it so it is uh

3479
02:26:23,910 --> 02:26:20,960
yeah i i think i i think i get at it a

3480
02:26:24,870 --> 02:26:23,920
bit more through reading and reading uh

3481
02:26:28,150 --> 02:26:24,880
you know

3482
02:26:28,870 --> 02:26:28,160
all sorts of things uh but it is yeah

3483
02:26:32,070 --> 02:26:28,880
that

3484
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:32,080
like yeah have you have you ever seen

3485
02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:35,680
have you had your own siding

3486
02:26:42,550 --> 02:26:38,080
so i had a

3487
02:26:44,790 --> 02:26:42,560
strange uh not a ufo sighting i had a

3488
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:44,800
strange encounter in

3489
02:26:50,790 --> 02:26:48,399
uh that i still talk about with my my

3490
02:26:53,510 --> 02:26:50,800
friends who are so

3491
02:26:54,389 --> 02:26:53,520
sophomore year of college i

3492
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:54,399
uh

3493
02:26:57,590 --> 02:26:55,840
you know we make the decision that we're

3494
02:26:59,429 --> 02:26:57,600
basically going to do the cross-country

3495
02:27:01,910 --> 02:26:59,439
road trip where uh

3496
02:27:03,750 --> 02:27:01,920
you know my my friend and i grew up in

3497
02:27:04,550 --> 02:27:03,760
uh milwaukee wisconsin and we were gonna

3498
02:27:07,110 --> 02:27:04,560
go

3499
02:27:09,990 --> 02:27:07,120
uh you know with one other friend we

3500
02:27:12,309 --> 02:27:10,000
were going to drive from milwaukee to

3501
02:27:14,710 --> 02:27:12,319
los angeles and then spend two weeks

3502
02:27:17,510 --> 02:27:14,720
going los angeles to new york stopping

3503
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:17,520
all over the place uh but to to start

3504
02:27:20,630 --> 02:27:19,520
that trip we made the decision that we

3505
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:20,640
were going to do

3506
02:27:26,309 --> 02:27:24,080
the milwaukee to la part in 32 hours

3507
02:27:28,950 --> 02:27:26,319
straight so that we would have the rest

3508
02:27:31,910 --> 02:27:28,960
of the two weeks to do the longer drive

3509
02:27:33,590 --> 02:27:31,920
uh which basically put us even leaving

3510
02:27:35,990 --> 02:27:33,600
like first thing in the morning we were

3511
02:27:38,630 --> 02:27:36,000
driving through the rocky mountains at

3512
02:27:40,950 --> 02:27:38,640
uh like two three in the morning in

3513
02:27:43,190 --> 02:27:40,960
march and so it's like there's still

3514
02:27:45,670 --> 02:27:43,200
snow on the roads and it's you know it

3515
02:27:47,750 --> 02:27:45,680
is our first time ever driving through

3516
02:27:49,270 --> 02:27:47,760
mountains that big and you can't tell

3517
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:49,280
the difference between the mountains and

3518
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:51,600
the sky around you and it's like it's

3519
02:27:55,910 --> 02:27:53,200
terrifying and you know and then there

3520
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:55,920
are trucks like barreling past us uh

3521
02:28:01,110 --> 02:27:58,560
while we're like cautiously

3522
02:28:02,070 --> 02:28:01,120
like uh eeking our way through the roads

3523
02:28:04,150 --> 02:28:02,080
uh but

3524
02:28:06,630 --> 02:28:04,160
we go around

3525
02:28:09,750 --> 02:28:06,640
uh we're going around these bends uh you

3526
02:28:13,349 --> 02:28:09,760
know very carefully in the snow and all

3527
02:28:15,750 --> 02:28:13,359
of a sudden like we come around a bend

3528
02:28:18,389 --> 02:28:15,760
and there is just a thing standing in

3529
02:28:21,110 --> 02:28:18,399
the middle of the road see why

3530
02:28:23,349 --> 02:28:21,120
there is a there's a thing standing in

3531
02:28:24,790 --> 02:28:23,359
the middle of the road it has and it

3532
02:28:26,469 --> 02:28:24,800
looks like it's about

3533
02:28:29,190 --> 02:28:26,479
nine feet tall

3534
02:28:31,429 --> 02:28:29,200
and it has a dog-like head and it's

3535
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:31,439
wearing something red and it's just

3536
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:34,000
staring at us and we just both start

3537
02:28:38,830 --> 02:28:36,880
screaming say wait wait wait wait wait

3538
02:28:41,830 --> 02:28:38,840
wait wait wait

3539
02:28:43,429 --> 02:28:41,840
whoa pump the break michael do you do

3540
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:43,439
you know this story

3541
02:28:48,150 --> 02:28:45,920
yeah he told me about it okay okay all

3542
02:28:49,510 --> 02:28:48,160
right it's got a little skinwalker vibe

3543
02:28:52,550 --> 02:28:49,520
to it yeah okay

3544
02:28:55,110 --> 02:28:52,560
stories okay let me recap here

3545
02:28:57,590 --> 02:28:55,120
rocky mountains middle of the night

3546
02:29:01,349 --> 02:28:57,600
around the corner and standing in the

3547
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:01,359
middle of the road is a nine foot tall

3548
02:29:04,710 --> 02:29:02,880
thing

3549
02:29:06,870 --> 02:29:04,720
with a dog head

3550
02:29:09,349 --> 02:29:06,880
yeah and so

3551
02:29:12,389 --> 02:29:09,359
we like and thankfully like i'm in the

3552
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:12,399
passenger seat my friend noah is driving

3553
02:29:17,830 --> 02:29:15,120
uh and noah noah and i we actually wrote

3554
02:29:19,910 --> 02:29:17,840
a comic years ago called ufology which

3555
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:19,920
is like it's pure fiction but it still

3556
02:29:24,710 --> 02:29:22,880
plays into a lot of this stuff but uh

3557
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:24,720
noah and i were

3558
02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:27,120
uh like noah was driving and if he had

3559
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:29,200
swerved to the left we would have gone

3560
02:29:33,349 --> 02:29:31,280
straight off the cliff like but

3561
02:29:35,510 --> 02:29:33,359
thankfully swerve to the right we go

3562
02:29:38,550 --> 02:29:35,520
around this thing and then we're around

3563
02:29:41,270 --> 02:29:38,560
the the curve like as fast as it happens

3564
02:29:43,429 --> 02:29:41,280
and it's like we pull off at the the

3565
02:29:45,510 --> 02:29:43,439
next stop and we're just like you know

3566
02:29:48,309 --> 02:29:45,520
at that point i was still still a smoker

3567
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,319
so we were just like pacing and smoking

3568
02:29:53,190 --> 02:29:50,399
in the like rocky mountain

3569
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:53,200
like air and just trying to like process

3570
02:29:57,670 --> 02:29:55,359
what we've seen and it's like years

3571
02:29:59,630 --> 02:29:57,680
later someone brought up the uh like the

3572
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,640
most plausible

3573
02:30:03,510 --> 02:30:01,680
explanation for what we could have seen

3574
02:30:05,670 --> 02:30:03,520
which is still not fully plausible as

3575
02:30:08,550 --> 02:30:05,680
the idea is like could have been a horse

3576
02:30:10,070 --> 02:30:08,560
wearing a kind of security blanket uh

3577
02:30:11,910 --> 02:30:10,080
that that may have gotten on the road

3578
02:30:13,349 --> 02:30:11,920
but there wasn't a rider and all that

3579
02:30:15,750 --> 02:30:13,359
and it's like a horse in the middle of

3580
02:30:17,670 --> 02:30:15,760
the road and like three am doesn't quite

3581
02:30:20,469 --> 02:30:17,680
click but that's the closest thing to a

3582
02:30:22,389 --> 02:30:20,479
rat like a more rational explanation so

3583
02:30:24,950 --> 02:30:22,399
it's just like ever since then we've

3584
02:30:26,870 --> 02:30:24,960
talked about the at the time we saw the

3585
02:30:30,469 --> 02:30:26,880
dog god of the mountains

3586
02:30:32,230 --> 02:30:30,479
like and it's uh you know so it's just

3587
02:30:34,469 --> 02:30:32,240
one of those things where it's just like

3588
02:30:36,469 --> 02:30:34,479
that that story has stayed with me and

3589
02:30:38,070 --> 02:30:36,479
the the the thing that stayed with me

3590
02:30:39,190 --> 02:30:38,080
more than anything is even in telling

3591
02:30:41,429 --> 02:30:39,200
the story

3592
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:41,439
like i think the human brain does

3593
02:30:46,469 --> 02:30:44,240
something when it encounters something

3594
02:30:48,870 --> 02:30:46,479
that it can't categorize

3595
02:30:50,790 --> 02:30:48,880
like and it basically like it sears the

3596
02:30:52,870 --> 02:30:50,800
image into your head in a way that's

3597
02:30:55,190 --> 02:30:52,880
like different than other memories and

3598
02:30:57,590 --> 02:30:55,200
it's just like i don't know like i'm

3599
02:31:00,309 --> 02:30:57,600
talking out out out my butt i i have no

3600
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:00,319
idea what that means in any way but it's

3601
02:31:05,590 --> 02:31:03,439
just like i can still see what it was

3602
02:31:07,910 --> 02:31:05,600
like see and when i see it i can still

3603
02:31:10,790 --> 02:31:07,920
kind of feel what i felt in that moment

3604
02:31:13,910 --> 02:31:10,800
and it is like and it's a sharper

3605
02:31:14,710 --> 02:31:13,920
image than most of my other memories uh

3606
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:14,720
right

3607
02:31:17,910 --> 02:31:16,960
so it is something where it's just like

3608
02:31:19,990 --> 02:31:17,920
there's

3609
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:20,000
i've always related to people seeing

3610
02:31:22,630 --> 02:31:21,680
something that

3611
02:31:25,510 --> 02:31:22,640
doesn't

3612
02:31:28,389 --> 02:31:25,520
categorize easy now um

3613
02:31:29,990 --> 02:31:28,399
hold on oh man this is great

3614
02:31:32,389 --> 02:31:30,000
why didn't we start off the show with

3615
02:31:34,070 --> 02:31:32,399
this somebody help me

3616
02:31:36,150 --> 02:31:34,080
um and i'm supposed to be in a

3617
02:31:39,030 --> 02:31:36,160
commercial break right now but screw

3618
02:31:41,670 --> 02:31:39,040
that okay let's

3619
02:31:43,349 --> 02:31:41,680
two arms two legs

3620
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:43,359
yeah humanoid

3621
02:31:49,270 --> 02:31:46,720
yeah it was humanoid it was like

3622
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:49,280
you know it like it like had shoulders

3623
02:31:54,870 --> 02:31:51,520
and it seemed to like it's like it was

3624
02:31:57,190 --> 02:31:54,880
wearing a red shirt like in some way but

3625
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:57,200
it wasn't like a sh like it was a shirt

3626
02:32:02,389 --> 02:31:59,439
like cloak it was clearly like it was

3627
02:32:03,110 --> 02:32:02,399
cloth though but but it you know under

3628
02:32:06,230 --> 02:32:03,120
its

3629
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:06,240
giant dog-like head

3630
02:32:10,309 --> 02:32:08,640
so fur

3631
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:10,319
yeah it seemed that way but i mean that

3632
02:32:14,230 --> 02:32:12,000
this is like it's

3633
02:32:17,110 --> 02:32:14,240
like the the image that's in my head

3634
02:32:18,870 --> 02:32:17,120
it's just like it's the

3635
02:32:22,150 --> 02:32:18,880
it's seeing it in the light of the

3636
02:32:23,910 --> 02:32:22,160
headlights in the snow uh as we come

3637
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:23,920
around the curve

3638
02:32:28,469 --> 02:32:27,040
like and it's just this

3639
02:32:30,950 --> 02:32:28,479
like and then it's also seeing it from

3640
02:32:33,670 --> 02:32:30,960
the side when when we come past it and

3641
02:32:35,750 --> 02:32:33,680
it's just like this kind of like it's

3642
02:32:37,910 --> 02:32:35,760
passing a thing that's taller than the

3643
02:32:39,670 --> 02:32:37,920
car like that's the that's the

3644
02:32:40,389 --> 02:32:39,680
strangeness of the moment of it's just

3645
02:32:43,990 --> 02:32:40,399
like

3646
02:32:46,230 --> 02:32:44,000
we swerved to the right so it would be

3647
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:46,240
coming by the left and it's just like

3648
02:32:54,710 --> 02:32:47,040
this

3649
02:32:56,389 --> 02:32:54,720
you know it's the long head and it's the

3650
02:32:57,670 --> 02:32:56,399
like the the the core features of the

3651
02:32:59,270 --> 02:32:57,680
long head and the

3652
02:33:02,150 --> 02:32:59,280
you know and

3653
02:33:04,230 --> 02:33:02,160
like the cloak or the shirt uh

3654
02:33:06,950 --> 02:33:04,240
you know this is like david lynch you

3655
02:33:09,030 --> 02:33:06,960
know that right oh yeah no it's uh but i

3656
02:33:10,150 --> 02:33:09,040
mean like that's the

3657
02:33:11,270 --> 02:33:10,160
like

3658
02:33:15,270 --> 02:33:11,280
now um

3659
02:33:17,830 --> 02:33:15,280
yeah yeah the uh the other part of this

3660
02:33:19,750 --> 02:33:17,840
um when you say it's vivid right it's

3661
02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:19,760
it's like no other memory this is

3662
02:33:22,309 --> 02:33:21,520
perfectly clear

3663
02:33:24,230 --> 02:33:22,319
yeah

3664
02:33:26,230 --> 02:33:24,240
and when you say

3665
02:33:27,510 --> 02:33:26,240
dog head

3666
02:33:29,670 --> 02:33:27,520
you are

3667
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:29,680
you're being very specific

3668
02:33:33,110 --> 02:33:31,439
right so

3669
02:33:35,030 --> 02:33:33,120
like a snake

3670
02:33:37,590 --> 02:33:35,040
yeah yeah yeah yeah

3671
02:33:39,910 --> 02:33:37,600
and it's yeah like it didn't have like

3672
02:33:41,910 --> 02:33:39,920
pointed ears it's like i don't remember

3673
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:41,920
like its ears i think were kind of

3674
02:33:46,389 --> 02:33:44,160
towards the back it had a pointed the

3675
02:33:48,870 --> 02:33:46,399
long pointed snout that was like

3676
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:48,880
you know it was sort of looking

3677
02:33:54,469 --> 02:33:51,760
down but at us its eyes were like here

3678
02:33:56,070 --> 02:33:54,479
and as it was looking at us

3679
02:33:57,910 --> 02:33:56,080
now um

3680
02:34:01,110 --> 02:33:57,920
the obvious question

3681
02:34:03,670 --> 02:34:01,120
why didn't you guys go back

3682
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:03,680
uh like honestly part of it was just not

3683
02:34:07,830 --> 02:34:05,520
knowing the

3684
02:34:12,150 --> 02:34:09,590
you know first off there was a third

3685
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:12,160
person in the car who his experience of

3686
02:34:15,270 --> 02:34:14,319
the whole thing was here's the moment

3687
02:34:17,190 --> 02:34:15,280
where

3688
02:34:19,990 --> 02:34:17,200
you know the

3689
02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:20,000
like me and noah just woke him up from

3690
02:34:23,429 --> 02:34:21,840
napping because he's gonna take over

3691
02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:23,439
driving once we get

3692
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:25,600
out of the mountains and he just wakes

3693
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:28,240
up to like us screaming in the front

3694
02:34:31,750 --> 02:34:29,120
seat

3695
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:31,760
uh and so like i think there he was just

3696
02:34:35,110 --> 02:34:33,280
a little bit more like

3697
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:35,120
guys you woke me up i have to start

3698
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:37,520
driving soon we need to get

3699
02:34:41,429 --> 02:34:39,760
like into like i think utah would be

3700
02:34:44,070 --> 02:34:41,439
next so it's just like we got to get out

3701
02:34:46,870 --> 02:34:44,080
of colorado and into utah we just have

3702
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:46,880
to keep going uh and i think he was like

3703
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,439
more humoring us and he was like he's

3704
02:34:53,429 --> 02:34:51,200
like i think we all have the friend with

3705
02:34:55,110 --> 02:34:53,439
the very dry sense of humor so he was

3706
02:34:57,349 --> 02:34:55,120
kind of like poking fun at us and we

3707
02:34:59,030 --> 02:34:57,359
were poking fun at him uh but it was one

3708
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:59,040
of those things where we

3709
02:35:02,950 --> 02:35:00,000
like

3710
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:02,960
you know it did

3711
02:35:07,270 --> 02:35:05,280
you know it so like and then there was

3712
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:07,280
also just the simple thing where

3713
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:09,760
uh some of the

3714
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:12,560
exits on the rockies and i might be

3715
02:35:15,990 --> 02:35:14,080
remembering this incorrectly but it

3716
02:35:17,830 --> 02:35:16,000
seemed this way as we pulled off into

3717
02:35:19,750 --> 02:35:17,840
this like there was nothing open at the

3718
02:35:21,590 --> 02:35:19,760
time but it's like we pulled off on the

3719
02:35:23,349 --> 02:35:21,600
road the only way to pull back onto the

3720
02:35:24,150 --> 02:35:23,359
road was on the same

3721
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:24,160
uh

3722
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:26,080
highway path as we were so it's just

3723
02:35:30,389 --> 02:35:28,560
like to double back and head in the

3724
02:35:32,870 --> 02:35:30,399
opposite direction we would have been on

3725
02:35:35,110 --> 02:35:32,880
a another track of road like they were

3726
02:35:37,429 --> 02:35:35,120
kind of staggered oh my gosh side of the

3727
02:35:40,070 --> 02:35:37,439
mountain yeah yeah yeah like like going

3728
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,080
back like we would effectively need to

3729
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,040
you know trace back to a previous exit

3730
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:46,000
like get try to get back on the road and

3731
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:48,160
try to repeat the

3732
02:35:51,190 --> 02:35:49,200
um

3733
02:35:53,110 --> 02:35:51,200
you know that leg of the journey and see

3734
02:35:55,429 --> 02:35:53,120
if we saw it again and it's like what's

3735
02:35:58,389 --> 02:35:55,439
the likelihood that whatever was there

3736
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,399
would still be standing there like 25

3737
02:36:03,830 --> 02:36:00,640
minutes later i wouldn't have gone back

3738
02:36:08,389 --> 02:36:03,840
so don't worry about that

3739
02:36:09,910 --> 02:36:08,399
but did you and noah see the same thing

3740
02:36:12,230 --> 02:36:09,920
yes

3741
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:12,240
really so you guys are comparing notes

3742
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:14,960
right and you guys go both have the dog

3743
02:36:19,349 --> 02:36:17,840
head big foot in the red shirt

3744
02:36:21,429 --> 02:36:19,359
description

3745
02:36:23,990 --> 02:36:21,439
yeah you know that

3746
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:24,000
that is uh yeah no and then it's

3747
02:36:27,910 --> 02:36:26,000
something that you know it's a story

3748
02:36:30,550 --> 02:36:27,920
that the two of us have been like you

3749
02:36:32,230 --> 02:36:30,560
know pulling out at bar nights for the

3750
02:36:34,790 --> 02:36:32,240
last uh

3751
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:34,800
you know like almost 20 years now yeah

3752
02:36:40,389 --> 02:36:37,120
that was my next question do uh you and

3753
02:36:42,070 --> 02:36:40,399
noah still hang out so is is his memory

3754
02:36:44,630 --> 02:36:42,080
still the same

3755
02:36:47,349 --> 02:36:44,640
yeah i was actually chatting with him uh

3756
02:36:50,309 --> 02:36:47,359
earlier this week about it uh because i

3757
02:36:52,230 --> 02:36:50,319
had i had once i knew that i was coming

3758
02:36:54,710 --> 02:36:52,240
on this show i i had a suspicion that

3759
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:54,720
this story might come up

3760
02:36:58,950 --> 02:36:56,960
and you know that's just

3761
02:37:01,190 --> 02:36:58,960
like just referred to it as the story of

3762
02:37:02,469 --> 02:37:01,200
like the dog we just like it's like oh

3763
02:37:05,349 --> 02:37:02,479
yeah i'm gonna tell them about the dog

3764
02:37:06,630 --> 02:37:05,359
god of the mountains uh he's like yeah

3765
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:06,640
like it's

3766
02:37:10,790 --> 02:37:08,720
you know i think we're both

3767
02:37:11,830 --> 02:37:10,800
uh you know and it's one of those things

3768
02:37:15,030 --> 02:37:11,840
where

3769
02:37:17,349 --> 02:37:15,040
uh you know both of us have we have both

3770
02:37:19,830 --> 02:37:17,359
always had like i said we wrote a book

3771
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,840
called ufology together we both we both

3772
02:37:24,469 --> 02:37:21,120
we share

3773
02:37:27,349 --> 02:37:24,479
an interest in ufos and then beyond ufos

3774
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:27,359
also the esoteric and uh you know at

3775
02:37:31,510 --> 02:37:29,439
that point we were still like in high

3776
02:37:35,590 --> 02:37:31,520
school we both went both went through a

3777
02:37:38,230 --> 02:37:35,600
big uh crowley magic with a k phase

3778
02:37:41,270 --> 02:37:38,240
uh and so it's like all of that was real

3779
02:37:43,670 --> 02:37:41,280
uh but how does this yeah you know you

3780
02:37:46,309 --> 02:37:43,680
go through 20 years of your life

3781
02:37:49,190 --> 02:37:46,319
um without this kind of confirmation of

3782
02:37:50,230 --> 02:37:49,200
reality right or an alternate reality i

3783
02:37:51,990 --> 02:37:50,240
should say

3784
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:52,000
but then this happens

3785
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:53,520
and so

3786
02:37:58,309 --> 02:37:56,880
you have this paradigm shift in your own

3787
02:38:00,550 --> 02:37:58,319
belief system

3788
02:38:03,150 --> 02:38:00,560
but when you think about ufos or betty

3789
02:38:04,870 --> 02:38:03,160
and barney hill or these uh

3790
02:38:07,349 --> 02:38:04,880
fantastical

3791
02:38:08,550 --> 02:38:07,359
right encounters and events

3792
02:38:11,830 --> 02:38:08,560
um

3793
02:38:14,469 --> 02:38:11,840
does this change the way you perceive

3794
02:38:17,429 --> 02:38:14,479
somebody else's storyline like randall

3795
02:38:19,110 --> 02:38:17,439
shim or betty and barney hill

3796
02:38:22,710 --> 02:38:19,120
i think i am

3797
02:38:24,309 --> 02:38:22,720
i find stories of encountering something

3798
02:38:27,349 --> 02:38:24,319
strange

3799
02:38:30,550 --> 02:38:27,359
uh like in like going beyond ufos it's

3800
02:38:31,910 --> 02:38:30,560
also like i also am like very fascinated

3801
02:38:34,309 --> 02:38:31,920
in uh

3802
02:38:36,790 --> 02:38:34,319
you know stories of hauntings and like i

3803
02:38:40,230 --> 02:38:36,800
feel like everyone even people who don't

3804
02:38:42,950 --> 02:38:40,240
touch like the you know true weird with

3805
02:38:45,190 --> 02:38:42,960
a 10 foot pole they have someone in

3806
02:38:48,150 --> 02:38:45,200
their close family or they personally

3807
02:38:50,309 --> 02:38:48,160
have had some kind of encounter with

3808
02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:50,319
something outside of the ordinary and

3809
02:38:55,429 --> 02:38:52,080
then you know people just sort of brush

3810
02:38:59,030 --> 02:38:55,439
it off like my my partner's uh grandma

3811
02:39:01,270 --> 02:38:59,040
she has uh you know like she's just you

3812
02:39:03,750 --> 02:39:01,280
know talking about her like insanely

3813
02:39:06,389 --> 02:39:03,760
haunted house like and has been for 20

3814
02:39:08,950 --> 02:39:06,399
years and it's just like oh yeah you

3815
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:08,960
know sometimes the tv turns off and it's

3816
02:39:14,309 --> 02:39:11,680
just like you know sometimes it turns on

3817
02:39:15,990 --> 02:39:14,319
when you unplug it uh and it's you know

3818
02:39:18,230 --> 02:39:16,000
they're they're one of those things it's

3819
02:39:19,429 --> 02:39:18,240
one of those things where i have

3820
02:39:21,910 --> 02:39:19,439
like

3821
02:39:25,110 --> 02:39:21,920
you know i had a fascination

3822
02:39:27,270 --> 02:39:25,120
with these stories uh before then and i

3823
02:39:30,469 --> 02:39:27,280
think afterwards i think it's

3824
02:39:34,389 --> 02:39:30,479
i'm always credible of the stories

3825
02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:34,399
themselves and i think that where

3826
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:35,600
i

3827
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:42,880
that they found an answer

3828
02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:45,359
because it is one of those things where

3829
02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:47,680
i think you know all of this and it's

3830
02:39:51,349 --> 02:39:49,200
you know with like i

3831
02:39:53,429 --> 02:39:51,359
in dabbling in in all of this and

3832
02:39:56,790 --> 02:39:53,439
especially in working on department of

3833
02:39:58,630 --> 02:39:56,800
truth and like you know i'm like reading

3834
02:40:01,590 --> 02:39:58,640
through some john keel and stuff like

3835
02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:01,600
that it's just like the idea of

3836
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:04,080
that all of these strange encounters

3837
02:40:10,389 --> 02:40:06,560
have all of these commonalities

3838
02:40:14,070 --> 02:40:10,399
uh that uh that feel like it's all it's

3839
02:40:17,030 --> 02:40:14,080
us brushing up against something unknown

3840
02:40:20,150 --> 02:40:17,040
that we don't have like in our you know

3841
02:40:22,950 --> 02:40:20,160
imperfect brains and our imperfect like

3842
02:40:25,269 --> 02:40:22,960
eyes and imperfect ears we don't have

3843
02:40:28,070 --> 02:40:25,279
the tools to process what we are

3844
02:40:30,230 --> 02:40:28,080
brushing up against and i do believe

3845
02:40:31,830 --> 02:40:30,240
that people have encounters with things

3846
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:31,840
that they cannot

3847
02:40:36,469 --> 02:40:34,800
that don't categorize that fall outside

3848
02:40:39,429 --> 02:40:36,479
the order of things and so it is

3849
02:40:41,030 --> 02:40:39,439
something where i find and this is like

3850
02:40:43,190 --> 02:40:41,040
the this has always been my guiding

3851
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:43,200
light and wanting to write about these

3852
02:40:47,269 --> 02:40:45,040
stories because i'll tell you in college

3853
02:40:49,910 --> 02:40:47,279
i tried to write a fictionalized account

3854
02:40:52,950 --> 02:40:49,920
of the dog gods story and it didn't work

3855
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:52,960
it didn't work in in fiction because its

3856
02:40:58,870 --> 02:40:55,920
power is the because in fiction i tried

3857
02:41:01,910 --> 02:40:58,880
to create an answer to what it was sure

3858
02:41:04,630 --> 02:41:01,920
but it was just like you know but in

3859
02:41:07,030 --> 02:41:04,640
like in the telling it is about brushing

3860
02:41:09,110 --> 02:41:07,040
up a gun against something like it is

3861
02:41:11,670 --> 02:41:09,120
that unknown quality and it is the

3862
02:41:13,349 --> 02:41:11,680
importance of the

3863
02:41:16,230 --> 02:41:13,359
you know

3864
02:41:18,230 --> 02:41:16,240
i and i do think that like the stories

3865
02:41:19,429 --> 02:41:18,240
of brushing up against the unknown need

3866
02:41:23,750 --> 02:41:19,439
to be

3867
02:41:26,710 --> 02:41:23,760
need to know uh that there are things

3868
02:41:28,950 --> 02:41:26,720
that fall outside the bounds of what you

3869
02:41:31,190 --> 02:41:28,960
what they perceive like it's like i

3870
02:41:33,429 --> 02:41:31,200
think that that uh

3871
02:41:34,309 --> 02:41:33,439
you know it makes the world more

3872
02:41:37,349 --> 02:41:34,319
like

3873
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:37,359
interesting well it does but but there's

3874
02:41:42,150 --> 02:41:38,640
always a butt

3875
02:41:44,389 --> 02:41:42,160
so uh james you're listening to a story

3876
02:41:46,790 --> 02:41:44,399
uh you're watching it on tv

3877
02:41:48,150 --> 02:41:46,800
and you know me and my cousin bubba we

3878
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:48,160
were fishing

3879
02:41:53,590 --> 02:41:51,279
and then the dog god you know he's nine

3880
02:41:56,070 --> 02:41:53,600
foot tall but the dog head comes up on

3881
02:41:57,590 --> 02:41:56,080
us man and we saw this thing

3882
02:41:59,750 --> 02:41:57,600
well

3883
02:42:01,030 --> 02:41:59,760
you're calling bs

3884
02:42:03,830 --> 02:42:01,040
you have to

3885
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:03,840
but now you're the crazy guy

3886
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:05,040
right

3887
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:07,279
you're now you're the crazy guy telling

3888
02:42:12,950 --> 02:42:11,200
the dog god nine foot tall bigfoot

3889
02:42:13,830 --> 02:42:12,960
snouted

3890
02:42:15,670 --> 02:42:13,840
right

3891
02:42:17,590 --> 02:42:15,680
with the red jacket on

3892
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:17,600
you're that crazy guy

3893
02:42:22,070 --> 02:42:21,040
absolutely like and but you know i think

3894
02:42:24,550 --> 02:42:22,080
i've

3895
02:42:28,950 --> 02:42:24,560
like it's the benefit of being

3896
02:42:31,670 --> 02:42:28,960
uh you know a lifelong weirdo is

3897
02:42:34,469 --> 02:42:31,680
i think i'm a little more comfortable uh

3898
02:42:36,630 --> 02:42:34,479
being you know there people act the same

3899
02:42:40,710 --> 02:42:36,640
way would i say it's like oh yeah yeah

3900
02:42:42,389 --> 02:42:40,720
no i i write comic books like

3901
02:42:47,990 --> 02:42:42,399
like

3902
02:42:50,790 --> 02:42:48,000
the the reaction to my career is comic

3903
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:50,800
books is the same as me telling i saw

3904
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:53,120
the dog god it's not quite the same but

3905
02:42:57,990 --> 02:42:55,840
like that's the

3906
02:43:00,309 --> 02:42:58,000
yeah yeah i'm a writer

3907
02:43:03,510 --> 02:43:00,319
and you just leave it there

3908
02:43:05,670 --> 02:43:03,520
all right sometimes i like yeah that

3909
02:43:07,590 --> 02:43:05,680
when i'm in it when i'm in a taxi cab i

3910
02:43:09,429 --> 02:43:07,600
just leave it i'm a writer because i'm a

3911
02:43:11,110 --> 02:43:09,439
writer it's a kind of boring answer it's

3912
02:43:12,950 --> 02:43:11,120
like oh what do you do it's like the

3913
02:43:15,030 --> 02:43:12,960
second that you're writing comics then

3914
02:43:18,309 --> 02:43:15,040
like you know i start getting the pitch

3915
02:43:20,230 --> 02:43:18,319
for uh taxi driver man which is a real

3916
02:43:22,790 --> 02:43:20,240
the real thing that a taxi driver

3917
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:22,800
pitched me for 45 minutes in new york

3918
02:43:27,750 --> 02:43:25,600
city once uh which was

3919
02:43:29,190 --> 02:43:27,760
horrifying that's a horror story right

3920
02:43:30,790 --> 02:43:29,200
there yeah

3921
02:43:34,550 --> 02:43:30,800
that was a scarier experience than

3922
02:43:36,870 --> 02:43:34,560
seeing the dog no doubt no doubt um uh

3923
02:43:39,269 --> 02:43:36,880
you know what we all have a taxi driver

3924
02:43:41,429 --> 02:43:39,279
story in in new york

3925
02:43:43,910 --> 02:43:41,439
i i love those but i have to share mine

3926
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:43,920
with you off of the air um but let me

3927
02:43:51,910 --> 02:43:46,399
ask you this james i have to uh what is

3928
02:43:58,790 --> 02:43:52,950
i don't know

3929
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:01,750
it

3930
02:44:06,630 --> 02:44:04,389
at moments i like i do

3931
02:44:08,550 --> 02:44:06,640
you know if i need to categorize it in

3932
02:44:11,190 --> 02:44:08,560
some kind of way it's like i'll lean

3933
02:44:12,389 --> 02:44:11,200
into the boring answer it's the like you

3934
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:12,399
know the

3935
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:14,800
the first time someone like you know

3936
02:44:20,309 --> 02:44:17,040
literally showed me a picture of like a

3937
02:44:22,469 --> 02:44:20,319
horse dead-on like head down with

3938
02:44:24,950 --> 02:44:22,479
like a security blanket for warmth in

3939
02:44:27,750 --> 02:44:24,960
the snow like you would have it like you

3940
02:44:29,110 --> 02:44:27,760
know it clicked but that doesn't

3941
02:44:31,349 --> 02:44:29,120
like

3942
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:31,359
he doesn't know i mean and it also

3943
02:44:37,750 --> 02:44:34,240
doesn't no you know you and noah would

3944
02:44:40,389 --> 02:44:37,760
have said dude that was a horse

3945
02:44:42,630 --> 02:44:40,399
yes right i i'm not yeah yeah

3946
02:44:43,670 --> 02:44:42,640
a horse is pretty iconic yeah i think

3947
02:44:45,110 --> 02:44:43,680
that's it

3948
02:44:47,190 --> 02:44:45,120
there is i do think that there is

3949
02:44:49,510 --> 02:44:47,200
something more to that moment

3950
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:49,520
uh but i think that

3951
02:44:53,429 --> 02:44:52,319
just the the type of type of person i am

3952
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:53,439
is i

3953
02:44:58,230 --> 02:44:56,080
enjoy the mystery of it and i enjoy

3954
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:58,240
having brushed up against the mystery

3955
02:45:00,630 --> 02:44:59,040
with

3956
02:45:07,030 --> 02:45:00,640
like

3957
02:45:08,550 --> 02:45:07,040
more interested in pursuing is more

3958
02:45:09,990 --> 02:45:08,560
you know

3959
02:45:12,469 --> 02:45:10,000
like more stories of people who have

3960
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:12,479
encountered a thing

3961
02:45:14,550 --> 02:45:13,760
like that

3962
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:14,560
that

3963
02:45:22,389 --> 02:45:20,800
because it it also it's just like i i

3964
02:45:24,070 --> 02:45:22,399
feel you know

3965
02:45:26,630 --> 02:45:24,080
i could get a little more metaphysical

3966
02:45:29,110 --> 02:45:26,640
about it in terms of like the moment in

3967
02:45:31,190 --> 02:45:29,120
my life i was at and it's like there's a

3968
02:45:33,990 --> 02:45:31,200
kind of it's a transitional moment and

3969
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:34,000
once again it's like dealing with uh

3970
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:35,920
you know like i said it's like we were a

3971
02:45:42,150 --> 02:45:38,560
bunch of like we were some magic with a

3972
02:45:44,790 --> 02:45:42,160
k nerds dude it was like

3973
02:45:47,030 --> 02:45:44,800
like carlos castaneda right this is like

3974
02:45:49,190 --> 02:45:47,040
a carlos castaneda moment right where

3975
02:45:52,389 --> 02:45:49,200
you're not supposed to stop

3976
02:45:55,349 --> 02:45:52,399
don't stop don't confront whatever it is

3977
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:55,359
don't get that answer keep going

3978
02:45:59,030 --> 02:45:57,279
yeah if it makes you feel better james i

3979
02:46:00,550 --> 02:45:59,040
mean like i mean i'm sure your audience

3980
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:00,560
is familiar with you know the skinwalker

3981
02:46:07,510 --> 02:46:04,080
ranch stories one of those is is that um

3982
02:46:08,790 --> 02:46:07,520
the um i forget the

3983
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:08,800
bigger those company who was studying

3984
02:46:12,150 --> 02:46:10,240
them but there's reports of them seeing

3985
02:46:14,550 --> 02:46:12,160
dog-headed men

3986
02:46:16,309 --> 02:46:14,560
like in suits and [\h__\h] like that like

3987
02:46:18,389 --> 02:46:16,319
smoking cigarettes

3988
02:46:19,750 --> 02:46:18,399
and it sounds it's one of these bizarre

3989
02:46:21,429 --> 02:46:19,760
you know um

3990
02:46:22,309 --> 02:46:21,439
phenomenons playing with you story but

3991
02:46:23,910 --> 02:46:22,319
that's

3992
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:23,920
there are reports of these dog-headed

3993
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:25,840
men and if you're driving from colorado

3994
02:46:29,030 --> 02:46:27,200
to utah

3995
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:29,040
you are looking at the the what is that

3996
02:46:33,429 --> 02:46:31,439
called the in into a basin the utah

3997
02:46:34,950 --> 02:46:33,439
basin yep yep yep yep you might have

3998
02:46:37,349 --> 02:46:34,960
been going into the area where other

3999
02:46:39,510 --> 02:46:37,359
people have seen this same thing so it

4000
02:46:42,389 --> 02:46:39,520
might not be as as

4001
02:46:43,830 --> 02:46:42,399
i don't know i don't know or

4002
02:46:46,230 --> 02:46:43,840
anubis

4003
02:46:49,510 --> 02:46:46,240
yeah there you go right

4004
02:46:51,910 --> 02:46:49,520
yes some kind of threshold like you know

4005
02:46:54,550 --> 02:46:51,920
it's literally we were half asleep

4006
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:54,560
driving through the mountains and like

4007
02:46:59,349 --> 02:46:56,800
a figure showed up at the threshold of

4008
02:47:01,590 --> 02:46:59,359
if we swerved the wrong way we would

4009
02:47:04,870 --> 02:47:01,600
have met our deaths and it's like is

4010
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:04,880
this some like avatar of death warding

4011
02:47:08,309 --> 02:47:06,720
us away because it wasn't our time i

4012
02:47:10,550 --> 02:47:08,319
totally think that was an answer that we

4013
02:47:12,469 --> 02:47:10,560
were like talking about in that moment

4014
02:47:16,309 --> 02:47:12,479
but it's just like that

4015
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:16,319
you know i i think i'm a little less uh

4016
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:18,880
in that mindset than i would like in

4017
02:47:22,150 --> 02:47:21,359
present day as i was like right back

4018
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:22,160
when

4019
02:47:25,269 --> 02:47:23,760
although i've been re

4020
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:25,279
revisiting a lot of that stuff for

4021
02:47:29,590 --> 02:47:27,840
department of truth like and uh uh

4022
02:47:31,429 --> 02:47:29,600
you know i still find it all deeply

4023
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:31,439
fascinating no there's there's a deep

4024
02:47:34,469 --> 02:47:33,040
meaning here and

4025
02:47:36,309 --> 02:47:34,479
the reason why i bring up carlos

4026
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:36,319
castaneda there was a

4027
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:38,800
a very interesting passage in in one of

4028
02:47:44,550 --> 02:47:41,920
his uh first few books and i read it at

4029
02:47:45,990 --> 02:47:44,560
too young of an age where it influences

4030
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:46,000
you right for the rest of your life but

4031
02:47:50,550 --> 02:47:48,479
there was this there's one thing and

4032
02:47:53,590 --> 02:47:50,560
about uh

4033
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:53,600
don't pick up a hitchhiker

4034
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:56,000
right and he gives this whole reason why

4035
02:47:59,990 --> 02:47:58,640
you're picking up death right and you're

4036
02:48:02,710 --> 02:48:00,000
gonna go and

4037
02:48:05,910 --> 02:48:02,720
and and whatever and and but there it it

4038
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:05,920
was a very interesting never stop

4039
02:48:12,469 --> 02:48:09,120
you're in the car you see somebody you

4040
02:48:14,830 --> 02:48:12,479
don't stop no matter what you know and

4041
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:14,840
and here you have this very interesting

4042
02:48:19,990 --> 02:48:17,920
moment where you guys swerve this thing

4043
02:48:22,630 --> 02:48:20,000
is there i think there is something

4044
02:48:24,309 --> 02:48:22,640
uh very deep and and compelling with

4045
02:48:25,190 --> 02:48:24,319
this and not only

4046
02:48:27,750 --> 02:48:25,200
uh

4047
02:48:30,790 --> 02:48:27,760
or i'm looking at you know my bigfoot

4048
02:48:32,950 --> 02:48:30,800
sign right in front of me or

4049
02:48:35,190 --> 02:48:32,960
what if you just saw bigfoot who just

4050
02:48:36,309 --> 02:48:35,200
raided a campsite and stole somebody's

4051
02:48:38,469 --> 02:48:36,319
jacket

4052
02:48:39,830 --> 02:48:38,479
and was running across the street i'm

4053
02:48:42,230 --> 02:48:39,840
being serious now

4054
02:48:44,790 --> 02:48:42,240
i'm not being cavalier at all

4055
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:44,800
maybe it was bigfoot the snout and

4056
02:48:51,750 --> 02:48:48,960
everything else is just a blur of uh you

4057
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:51,760
know your mind filling in the gaps

4058
02:48:55,750 --> 02:48:53,359
but have you thought about that you had

4059
02:48:57,750 --> 02:48:55,760
a little sasquatch encounter that's why

4060
02:48:58,469 --> 02:48:57,760
i was asking about the two arms and two

4061
02:49:00,790 --> 02:48:58,479
legs

4062
02:49:02,150 --> 02:49:00,800
like i feel like you know at least in

4063
02:49:05,830 --> 02:49:02,160
how i picture

4064
02:49:09,110 --> 02:49:05,840
uh like a bigfoot is like i i think i

4065
02:49:10,870 --> 02:49:09,120
picture it with more of a broad stature

4066
02:49:12,550 --> 02:49:10,880
uh and this is something where it was

4067
02:49:14,870 --> 02:49:12,560
like it it was

4068
02:49:17,830 --> 02:49:14,880
skinny in the way that it was tall like

4069
02:49:20,070 --> 02:49:17,840
which is i think what leaned into the

4070
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:20,080
the dog uh

4071
02:49:25,269 --> 02:49:22,640
us like calling it a dog like it had a

4072
02:49:27,429 --> 02:49:25,279
dog head like it was both too bulky for

4073
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:27,439
it to be like a deer head but it was

4074
02:49:31,030 --> 02:49:29,279
like it had that

4075
02:49:31,990 --> 02:49:31,040
the long quality

4076
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:32,000
um

4077
02:49:34,790 --> 02:49:33,120
yeah

4078
02:49:38,389 --> 02:49:34,800
the anubis

4079
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:40,710
i mean i've had uh i've had a lot of

4080
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:47,429
i've had a lot of i've had a lot of

4081
02:49:50,550 --> 02:49:48,720
encounters

4082
02:49:53,190 --> 02:49:50,560
i've never had that one james that's

4083
02:49:56,230 --> 02:49:53,200
just incredible and the the other thing

4084
02:49:58,150 --> 02:49:56,240
for the audience when i asked james what

4085
02:50:01,269 --> 02:49:58,160
he thought that he saw

4086
02:50:02,950 --> 02:50:01,279
um it was interesting to see your face

4087
02:50:05,510 --> 02:50:02,960
you've obviously thought about this a

4088
02:50:06,309 --> 02:50:05,520
lot and you don't have any answers

4089
02:50:08,710 --> 02:50:06,319
yeah

4090
02:50:11,110 --> 02:50:08,720
no and i i like

4091
02:50:12,950 --> 02:50:11,120
i like not having answers and i feel

4092
02:50:14,630 --> 02:50:12,960
like there are answers

4093
02:50:16,870 --> 02:50:14,640
like and i mean and i think that this is

4094
02:50:19,349 --> 02:50:16,880
just like part of my

4095
02:50:20,550 --> 02:50:19,359
uh world view is that it's like you kind

4096
02:50:21,429 --> 02:50:20,560
of

4097
02:50:23,349 --> 02:50:21,439
you know

4098
02:50:25,030 --> 02:50:23,359
you take in as much information as you

4099
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:25,040
can and you sort it and you try to

4100
02:50:31,269 --> 02:50:28,080
understand it and you know like humans

4101
02:50:33,349 --> 02:50:31,279
are like pattern finding creatures like

4102
02:50:35,990 --> 02:50:33,359
that is that is the thing that we do

4103
02:50:38,710 --> 02:50:36,000
better than like any other animal on the

4104
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:38,720
planet and it is something where

4105
02:50:43,510 --> 02:50:40,880
i like i like looking at all of the

4106
02:50:45,990 --> 02:50:43,520
things in order and

4107
02:50:48,950 --> 02:50:46,000
you know seeing what

4108
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:48,960
the connections between them tell me

4109
02:50:52,150 --> 02:50:51,040
about the world and

4110
02:50:55,590 --> 02:50:52,160
uh

4111
02:50:57,190 --> 02:50:55,600
and myself and when like the the

4112
02:50:59,750 --> 02:50:57,200
individual

4113
02:51:01,830 --> 02:50:59,760
like pieces of information themselves

4114
02:51:04,790 --> 02:51:01,840
like they don't have as much meaning as

4115
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:04,800
the context to me except for like this

4116
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:07,920
has meaning to me in the context of like

4117
02:51:13,910 --> 02:51:10,800
my life and my uh like my

4118
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:13,920
my life at that time and the

4119
02:51:19,910 --> 02:51:16,640
uh you know my relationship with noah my

4120
02:51:21,830 --> 02:51:19,920
like you know my relationship to like my

4121
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:21,840
college years and all of this stuff

4122
02:51:25,910 --> 02:51:23,920
there's just this strange encounter that

4123
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:25,920
just happened in the middle of it that

4124
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:28,640
just means that it's like you know and

4125
02:51:31,590 --> 02:51:30,080
like it

4126
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:31,600
and then like

4127
02:51:34,150 --> 02:51:32,560
that

4128
02:51:36,870 --> 02:51:34,160
going back and looking at it and kind of

4129
02:51:39,750 --> 02:51:36,880
grappling with it uh it's like the first

4130
02:51:41,830 --> 02:51:39,760
two chapters of the mothman prophecies

4131
02:51:43,190 --> 02:51:41,840
yeah exactly i swear

4132
02:51:45,030 --> 02:51:43,200
it really is

4133
02:51:46,790 --> 02:51:45,040
if you think about it the whole road

4134
02:51:49,830 --> 02:51:46,800
trip aspect

4135
02:51:52,070 --> 02:51:49,840
and yeah yeah wow

4136
02:51:54,550 --> 02:51:52,080
wow that's incredible i i'm just blown

4137
02:51:55,830 --> 02:51:54,560
away i'm just blown away okay

4138
02:51:58,070 --> 02:51:55,840
um

4139
02:52:00,630 --> 02:51:58,080
we just we blew through the commercials

4140
02:52:03,190 --> 02:52:00,640
i apologize to everybody for that

4141
02:52:04,790 --> 02:52:03,200
um but now let's circle back before we

4142
02:52:08,070 --> 02:52:04,800
do run out of time

4143
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:08,080
uh you uh i want to point this over to

4144
02:52:11,590 --> 02:52:09,120
michael

4145
02:52:15,190 --> 02:52:11,600
you've given me this and the audience a

4146
02:52:18,150 --> 02:52:15,200
timeline you guys are in a full-on

4147
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:18,160
real-time production with this

4148
02:52:21,910 --> 02:52:20,399
right is this are these deadlines you've

4149
02:52:25,670 --> 02:52:21,920
given yourself

4150
02:52:28,790 --> 02:52:25,680
so this comes out in a creative way

4151
02:52:30,870 --> 02:52:28,800
yeah um we this is as a creator-owned

4152
02:52:32,309 --> 02:52:30,880
project like anything that you do that

4153
02:52:34,469 --> 02:52:32,319
that you're doing yourself outside of

4154
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:34,479
working with another production company

4155
02:52:38,230 --> 02:52:37,120
you set the schedule yourself um and we

4156
02:52:40,309 --> 02:52:38,240
did want to

4157
02:52:42,150 --> 02:52:40,319
be quick you know we didn't want to be

4158
02:52:44,469 --> 02:52:42,160
something that people would have to wait

4159
02:52:46,710 --> 02:52:44,479
for for too long and because i love the

4160
02:52:48,870 --> 02:52:46,720
subjects so much and i'm drawing it in

4161
02:52:49,750 --> 02:52:48,880
in such a comfortable style

4162
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:49,760
um

4163
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:50,800
i mean they're

4164
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:52,720
it's flowing i'm ahead of schedule even

4165
02:52:56,309 --> 02:52:54,720
though i've got more projects going on

4166
02:52:58,710 --> 02:52:56,319
now that i've ever had in my life to the

4167
02:53:00,469 --> 02:52:58,720
point it's going to be a super stressful

4168
02:53:02,550 --> 02:53:00,479
like six or seven months but the blue

4169
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:02,560
book stuff was just it just flows you

4170
02:53:06,070 --> 02:53:04,160
know so i'm just having a great time

4171
02:53:08,950 --> 02:53:06,080
with it and it'll be regular like we're

4172
02:53:10,309 --> 02:53:08,960
not gonna skip anything or you know

4173
02:53:12,389 --> 02:53:10,319
we'll keep it consistent and we're

4174
02:53:15,510 --> 02:53:12,399
loving it so it makes it easy so you're

4175
02:53:17,429 --> 02:53:15,520
on a two-week turnaround james

4176
02:53:19,349 --> 02:53:17,439
yeah i mean we're a little ahead right

4177
02:53:22,469 --> 02:53:19,359
now and i'm gonna try to work to get

4178
02:53:26,070 --> 02:53:22,479
even further ahead uh but it's you know

4179
02:53:28,630 --> 02:53:26,080
uh i basically passed along the first 30

4180
02:53:30,389 --> 02:53:28,640
pages which is the first three

4181
02:53:33,269 --> 02:53:30,399
you know uh

4182
02:53:34,630 --> 02:53:33,279
like chapters that we'll be releasing uh

4183
02:53:38,309 --> 02:53:34,640
and the

4184
02:53:39,269 --> 02:53:38,319
you know i'm hoping that like you know

4185
02:53:41,510 --> 02:53:39,279
if the

4186
02:53:43,590 --> 02:53:41,520
the stars align in the next couple of

4187
02:53:45,750 --> 02:53:43,600
days what a you know i've cleared enough

4188
02:53:48,150 --> 02:53:45,760
off my plate that what i want to do is

4189
02:53:50,309 --> 02:53:48,160
by you know before the weekend i want to

4190
02:53:53,030 --> 02:53:50,319
at least i want i'm hoping i can knock

4191
02:53:55,269 --> 02:53:53,040
out the next 30 pages because then it's

4192
02:53:57,429 --> 02:53:55,279
you know i i think it uh

4193
02:53:58,389 --> 02:53:57,439
like it's helpful to sort of see

4194
02:54:00,309 --> 02:53:58,399
where

4195
02:54:01,670 --> 02:54:00,319
you know this next section of the story

4196
02:54:02,550 --> 02:54:01,680
is going so

4197
02:54:04,389 --> 02:54:02,560
uh

4198
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:04,399
you know and especially because this is

4199
02:54:09,510 --> 02:54:06,720
this is the one that i imagine this is

4200
02:54:11,750 --> 02:54:09,520
the section because as it gets into

4201
02:54:14,150 --> 02:54:11,760
uh you know the dreams and the hypnosis

4202
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:14,160
sessions like that

4203
02:54:17,670 --> 02:54:16,240
you know i have a feeling michael and i

4204
02:54:19,990 --> 02:54:17,680
are going to have some conversations on

4205
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:20,000
how we how exactly we wanted to pick

4206
02:54:23,429 --> 02:54:20,800
that

4207
02:54:26,630 --> 02:54:23,439
uh and you know because we're also just

4208
02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:26,640
in terms of time and space and

4209
02:54:30,550 --> 02:54:28,800
you know all of this is like

4210
02:54:32,550 --> 02:54:30,560
there's going to be some picking and

4211
02:54:34,469 --> 02:54:32,560
choosing of like

4212
02:54:35,510 --> 02:54:34,479
not in a way that will

4213
02:54:36,950 --> 02:54:35,520
alter

4214
02:54:39,349 --> 02:54:36,960
any of the stories but some of the

4215
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:39,359
stories we might have to gloss over to

4216
02:54:44,309 --> 02:54:41,760
focus on some key

4217
02:54:47,030 --> 02:54:44,319
images and key things what and then

4218
02:54:49,110 --> 02:54:47,040
discuss the others more in the narration

4219
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:49,120
of the story rather than actually seeing

4220
02:54:50,790 --> 02:54:50,000
them

4221
02:54:52,389 --> 02:54:50,800
uh

4222
02:54:55,110 --> 02:54:52,399
so like those are the questions i'm

4223
02:54:58,309 --> 02:54:55,120
asking myself and i'm hoping that by you

4224
02:54:59,590 --> 02:54:58,319
know uh by friday i have a good answer

4225
02:55:01,910 --> 02:54:59,600
well you know what you know what is

4226
02:55:04,070 --> 02:55:01,920
amazing i don't know if you've ever seen

4227
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:04,080
if you haven't you need to go back and

4228
02:55:09,990 --> 02:55:07,200
and check out michael's videos of him

4229
02:55:11,190 --> 02:55:10,000
drawing in real time the creative

4230
02:55:12,389 --> 02:55:11,200
process

4231
02:55:14,790 --> 02:55:12,399
because

4232
02:55:16,630 --> 02:55:14,800
he's he's an actual artist right this

4233
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:16,640
isn't something done

4234
02:55:19,910 --> 02:55:17,680
he is

4235
02:55:22,550 --> 02:55:19,920
inking he's drawing you get to watch the

4236
02:55:25,269 --> 02:55:22,560
blue lines and then uh look i just said

4237
02:55:28,790 --> 02:55:25,279
a technical thing mike i said hey

4238
02:55:31,590 --> 02:55:28,800
you like that huh um but you watched and

4239
02:55:33,349 --> 02:55:31,600
he is so damn great

4240
02:55:35,990 --> 02:55:33,359
at being able to

4241
02:55:37,990 --> 02:55:36,000
illustrate and draw these characters in

4242
02:55:39,750 --> 02:55:38,000
these faces and the emotion

4243
02:55:41,750 --> 02:55:39,760
and and you watch him do this in the vid

4244
02:55:44,870 --> 02:55:41,760
and he's so fast at it

4245
02:55:47,590 --> 02:55:44,880
and i just i i hate him

4246
02:55:49,990 --> 02:55:47,600
you know i i watch this process go down

4247
02:55:52,309 --> 02:55:50,000
i go this isn't human nobody should have

4248
02:55:54,070 --> 02:55:52,319
this kind of talent but this is what you

4249
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:54,080
have at your disposal right you have

4250
02:55:59,269 --> 02:55:56,960
this level of excellence that happens

4251
02:56:01,110 --> 02:55:59,279
you know nearly in real time it's got to

4252
02:56:02,870 --> 02:56:01,120
be amazing as a writer to have that in

4253
02:56:05,190 --> 02:56:02,880
your back pocket

4254
02:56:08,070 --> 02:56:05,200
absolutely and i'm

4255
02:56:09,190 --> 02:56:08,080
i'm extraordinarily lucky i work with

4256
02:56:10,550 --> 02:56:09,200
like in

4257
02:56:12,710 --> 02:56:10,560
you know what

4258
02:56:14,790 --> 02:56:12,720
like i'm i love working with michael on

4259
02:56:17,750 --> 02:56:14,800
this book and all

4260
02:56:19,510 --> 02:56:17,760
like i i i am similar to michael i'm

4261
02:56:22,309 --> 02:56:19,520
working on way too many projects all at

4262
02:56:24,389 --> 02:56:22,319
once uh because i think it's how both of

4263
02:56:27,190 --> 02:56:24,399
us function and i think that that's you

4264
02:56:28,550 --> 02:56:27,200
know part of what uh drew us to each

4265
02:56:31,750 --> 02:56:28,560
other uh

4266
02:56:34,630 --> 02:56:31,760
is the you know like we both have this

4267
02:56:36,469 --> 02:56:34,640
need to to keep on working but it is

4268
02:56:37,429 --> 02:56:36,479
something where

4269
02:56:41,670 --> 02:56:37,439
getting

4270
02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:41,680
inbox

4271
02:56:46,790 --> 02:56:44,399
is the coolest feeling in the world

4272
02:56:48,870 --> 02:56:46,800
like it just it is like and i and i get

4273
02:56:50,870 --> 02:56:48,880
to work with a bunch of amazing artists

4274
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:50,880
with the make woods of like

4275
02:56:55,670 --> 02:56:52,800
you know such difference every book is a

4276
02:56:58,389 --> 02:56:55,680
very different entity than every other

4277
02:57:01,510 --> 02:56:58,399
book and so it is just uh

4278
02:57:02,469 --> 02:57:01,520
it is something really special to uh to

4279
02:57:04,630 --> 02:57:02,479
sort of

4280
02:57:06,150 --> 02:57:04,640
like play with uh

4281
02:57:08,469 --> 02:57:06,160
you know a bunch of like amazing

4282
02:57:11,110 --> 02:57:08,479
creative people and build worlds and and

4283
02:57:12,550 --> 02:57:11,120
then also like and try new things that's

4284
02:57:15,990 --> 02:57:12,560
the thing that is most exciting about

4285
02:57:18,550 --> 02:57:16,000
blue book i've never adapted uh

4286
02:57:21,510 --> 02:57:18,560
material from like from real life life

4287
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:21,520
in this way before and it is uh

4288
02:57:27,349 --> 02:57:24,160
it's teaching me things about

4289
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:27,359
like because every every decision is

4290
02:57:31,349 --> 02:57:30,080
like is deliberate in a way that like

4291
02:57:33,990 --> 02:57:31,359
you know sometimes when you're writing

4292
02:57:36,230 --> 02:57:34,000
fiction it can be a little more uh

4293
02:57:38,309 --> 02:57:36,240
you know a stream of consciousness you

4294
02:57:40,150 --> 02:57:38,319
can kind of just you get into a flow and

4295
02:57:41,590 --> 02:57:40,160
like things just start happening and

4296
02:57:43,349 --> 02:57:41,600
then you can sort of carve it down a

4297
02:57:45,670 --> 02:57:43,359
little bit but it's just like when

4298
02:57:48,389 --> 02:57:45,680
you're adapting something every decision

4299
02:57:51,429 --> 02:57:48,399
is deliberate and you know the and i

4300
02:57:54,630 --> 02:57:51,439
think like as you grow as an artist or a

4301
02:57:57,429 --> 02:57:54,640
writer you start realizing like you know

4302
02:58:01,510 --> 02:57:57,439
what art is is making a bunch of like

4303
02:58:04,389 --> 02:58:01,520
uh considered decisions in order uh and

4304
02:58:06,950 --> 02:58:04,399
uh you know it's like it

4305
02:58:07,830 --> 02:58:06,960
i don't know i like it gives me life i

4306
02:58:10,230 --> 02:58:07,840
love it

4307
02:58:12,389 --> 02:58:10,240
thank you so much james absolutely

4308
02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:12,399
fascinating conversation tonight michael

4309
02:58:16,790 --> 02:58:14,000
you're the very best

4310
02:58:20,070 --> 02:58:16,800
very soon you guys are gonna come down

4311
02:58:22,150 --> 02:58:20,080
and and and and hang out with me and i

4312
02:58:24,070 --> 02:58:22,160
really look forward to seeing you and

4313
02:58:26,070 --> 02:58:24,080
taki again soon

4314
02:58:28,870 --> 02:58:26,080
and uh the same thing with you michael

4315
02:58:31,590 --> 02:58:28,880
uh in the minute that we have left

4316
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:31,600
it's got to be very inspiring for you to

4317
02:58:35,190 --> 02:58:32,800
have

4318
02:58:38,389 --> 02:58:35,200
james's ideas come in and you as an

4319
02:58:40,469 --> 02:58:38,399
artist you get to just go into go time

4320
02:58:41,990 --> 02:58:40,479
and and create absolutely

4321
02:58:44,870 --> 02:58:42,000
absolutely

4322
02:58:47,830 --> 02:58:44,880
thank you so much michael and again uh

4323
02:58:51,590 --> 02:58:47,840
the websites uh are

4324
02:58:54,710 --> 02:58:52,950
yeah

4325
02:58:56,550 --> 02:58:54,720
hold on hold on

4326
02:58:58,630 --> 02:58:56,560
as i said that

4327
02:59:02,070 --> 02:58:58,640
my readbluebook.com

4328
02:59:03,550 --> 02:59:02,080
my my mouse literally died and i've also

4329
02:59:05,269 --> 02:59:03,560
got a

4330
02:59:08,230 --> 02:59:05,279
michaelavonoming.com where does

4331
02:59:13,190 --> 02:59:08,240
everybody follow you on twitter james

4332
02:59:14,950 --> 02:59:13,200
uh read tiny onion uh that i on like at

4333
02:59:17,830 --> 02:59:14,960
read tiny onion

4334
02:59:18,870 --> 02:59:17,840
like so that's my

4335
02:59:22,230 --> 02:59:18,880
yeah

4336
02:59:23,349 --> 02:59:22,240
thought that there was going to be a

4337
02:59:26,150 --> 02:59:23,359
fourth

4338
02:59:27,670 --> 02:59:26,160
um added into that

4339
02:59:29,429 --> 02:59:27,680
and michael where does everybody follow

4340
02:59:30,950 --> 02:59:29,439
you on twitter the fader knots no but

4341
02:59:34,469 --> 02:59:30,960
just go ahead and say it

4342
02:59:35,830 --> 02:59:34,479
it's at oming oem ing and i'll tag james

4343
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:35,840
a few times in there so it'll be easy to

4344
02:59:41,830 --> 02:59:38,160
find the tiny onion you guys thank you

4345
02:59:43,590 --> 02:59:41,840
for doing uh an improved overtime and i

4346
02:59:45,830 --> 02:59:43,600
snuck it up on you but i didn't want

4347
02:59:48,309 --> 02:59:45,840
this conversation in thank you so much

4348
02:59:51,590 --> 02:59:48,319
michael behave give my best to taki

4349
02:59:53,110 --> 02:59:51,600
james go hang out in new york city man

4350
02:59:54,469 --> 02:59:53,120
all right

4351
02:59:57,670 --> 02:59:54,479
i'll talk to you guys thank you what a

4352
02:59:59,750 --> 02:59:57,680
great show what a great conversation

4353
03:00:01,510 --> 02:59:59,760
thank you guys so much and with that

4354
03:00:03,670 --> 03:00:01,520
i've got to go straight to credits you

4355
03:00:06,389 --> 03:00:03,680
guys stay right there i'll say uh

4356
03:00:07,990 --> 03:00:06,399
goodbye uh after the show

4357
03:00:10,150 --> 03:00:08,000
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4358
03:00:12,389 --> 03:00:10,160
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4359
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4360
03:00:17,590 --> 03:00:15,200
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4361
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03:00:23,190 --> 03:00:19,680
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4363
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4364
03:00:27,830 --> 03:00:26,740
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4365
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network i'm your host jimmy church

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03:00:52,790 --> 03:00:49,600
tomorrow night right here

4378
03:00:54,790 --> 03:00:52,800
richard bleepin dolan until then i want

4379
03:00:58,890 --> 03:00:54,800
everybody to be safe

4380
03:00:59,050 --> 03:00:58,900
it's time to fade to black

4381
03:01:01,690 --> 03:00:59,060
[Music]

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[Applause]

4383
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:21,349
wow

4384
03:01:21,359 --> 03:01:31,660
so